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How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FallenAngel, Feb 1, 2016.

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Does the title chosen one imply inherent goodness?

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  2. no

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  3. undecided

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  1. Trevor

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    I'm not here to debate YOUR debate. i'm merely saying that the Nazi allegations being tossed around are unnecessary, and this thread (at this point) has essentially turned into a seemingly never-ending back and forth...THAT'S what's unbelievable. Now let's please move on. :)
     
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    Firstly, I would like to start by saying my dislike for the Prophecy of the Chosen One. We didn't need it. And the vagueness wasn't deliberate, it was accidental. It was another case of important plot elements not being fleshed out within the prequels.

    Second, I never understood the confusion over it. I've always understood the intention of "bring balance to the Force". Star Wars has always been a tale of good vs. evil. Why would balance be about the severe destruction of the forces of good?

    Now, the meat of the post:
    George Lucas has many, many, many times, consistently (which can be rare from him considering the Special Editions) stated that Anakin was in fact the Chosen One and that he fulfilled the Prophecy when he killed Palpatine in Return of the Jedi, destroying the Sith. On the Complete Saga (ha!) Blu-Ray set, there is a footage of him talking to the writers of The Clone Wars and explaining the Force. He explains that the Dark Side is in of itself imbalance. That it is created by selfish desires and using the Force for those desires.

    I feel like that, so far, the sequel trilogy is respecting the "Anakin fulfilled the Prophecy" statement by not having Kylo Ren be a Sith. That says something. It would have been way easier to just have him be "Darth Kylo"* or something, but they didn't.

    Side note:
    The problem with religions are those who abuse them to discriminate, to cause suffering, or to further their own agendas. Some do it with religion, some do it with science (or really, pseudo-science), some do it with patriotism, etc. All it takes for someone to say that their group is inherently better that all the others.
    TL;DR: Religion isn't the problem, it's people.

    *Wow, that's a terrible name. Really, really awful. I apologize for subjecting all of you to that name. Forgive me.
     
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    I'm not sure i agree about religion, its like saying drugs aren't bad its the people that use them.
    old superstitions really are out dated.

    call it what you want, gods, demons, devils and the like are beliefs of crazy people in an enlightened society.
    deep breath haha.



    this is what george also said.

    Though he did great work, he has passed the mantle on now.
     
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    What I am saying is that we are trying to interpret something that has been stated its actual meaning several times over.

    Religion can be a good thing. It can inspire people to do good in the world. It can provide comfort in difficult times. The only problem is when people use it for negative or selfish ends. When people use it to condemn others. When people use it as an excuse to attack others.
    In short, when I see people with different beliefs than my own, I don't condemn them. I don't think to myself, "They are going to Hell." I just accept it as they could be right as far as I actually know. Belief isn't knowledge. It's faith. I say, "You believe in what you believe in, I believe in what I believe in, and we'll see who's right when we die." No one is negatively affected by my beliefs and I plan on keeping it that way.

    In the end, as long as no one is being hurt or discriminated, if no one is affected negatively by their beliefs, does it matter what someone believes in?
     
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    Lucas can't even get his story straight, there's little chance that we can hope to make sense of it.
     
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    Lucas has been very clear about the Prophecy....but he can't help people making it into something else:

    MOYERS: Have you made peace with the fact that people read into your movies what you didn't necessarily invest there?

    LUCAS: Yes, I find it amusing. I also find it very interesting, especially in terms of the academic world, that they will take a work and dissect it in so many different ways. Some of the ways are very profound, and some are very accurate. A lot of it, though, is just the person using their imagination to put things in there that really weren't there, which I don't mind either. I mean, one of the things I like about Star Wars is that it stimulates the imagination, and that's why I don't have any qualms about the toys or about any of the things that are going on around Star Wars, because it does allow young people to use their imagination and think outside the box.
     
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    He's changed the meaning of the prophecy a couple of times. He retcons blast like it's going out of fashion.
     
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    Not to go to far off tangent here but i respectfully disagree.
    religion starts where knowledge stops. faith in a religious sense in the lack of knowledge, hence faith.
    it is divisive, and has caused massive conflict, and is still. people have always been hurt by religion.
    history has show it not to work, and thankfully we are seeing its death throws at present.

    For the most part i believe the only reason people are scared to let go, is they have to much built up in what happens when they die.
    So there belief is tied in to not having to confront there own mortality.
    but this really is beyond the scope of this thread.
     
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    No, it's always been about Anakin eliminating the Sith in ROTJ. That has never changed.
     
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    Lucas got his story straight. You have nothing to worry about in regard to that. And I understand the Chosen One prophecy very well. There are a lot of people who actually do.

    I suspect many want Disney to re-write the prophecy so that super perfect Rey would become the "real Chosen One".
     
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    or just any one connected to anakin skywalkers bloodline?
     
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    Anakin was still the Chosen One. If Disney decides to change that and make Rey "the Chosen One", then it would be clear to me that they had lied about the Prequel Trilogy being canon. Right now, I don't need any more crap from them or Kathleen Kennedy.

    They need to move on with a different storyline regarding Rey, instead making another attempt at being unoriginal.
     
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    This reminds me of the "Rey is really Analin Skywalker" thread. I personally don't believe that Disney would change the prophecy as it would also negate the entir e OT arc for Darth Vader. I could, however, see them introducing anther Prophecy .
     
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    @CTrent29
    Kathleen kennedy did a brilliant job of getting a good team together around TFA I'm not sure what your problem is there.

    have you read the full thread? there a lots of reason why the chosen one could encompass both.
    Anakin could be the chosen one, in that he started the bloodline that forever shifts the balance.
    it is not exclusively him but he is the progenitor of the bloodline so,
    Yoda "a prophecy misread could have been"
    @AstromechRecords
    Also if Anakin brought balance, by destroying the Sith, specifically sidious at the end of ROTJ, and for this to be the case you have to subscribe to the (by bringing balance it meant removing evil from the universe, and that evil was represented by the Sith theory)

    He only ever killed one Sith. palpatine.

    But the original trilogy was about Luke. becoming a Jedi.
    Yoda "you must confront Vader then, only then a Jedi will you be"

    luke redeems vader

    Vader would have not changed if Luke didn't demonstrate an ability to withstand the darkside and appeal to his father.
    vader did the final act, but it was very much Luke that killed the emperor, in all but deed. saving Vader in unison.

    If vader was always destined to destroy the Sith, then this nullfies Luke and Luke's journey altogether. And the OT was made long before the prequels. so we have to believe that luke's journey was the original intent of the saga.
    If vader was destined to kill the emperor Luke has no impact.

    you could make they argument that Vader would be presented with the choice, but could have chose other wise but thats not a prophecy.

    There could then be a case made that the O.T is about the chosen one Luke, who through his bravery overcomes his fears redeems his fallen father and brings balance to the force, this would only bolster my point that Anakin played a pivotal role.
    As the progenitor of the bloodline.
    As kylo-ren is now doing. remember kylo-ren is a skywalker. and yes possibly rey.

    Any sky walker is the chosen one because they belong to the bloodline that has already played a pivotal role in the ever shifting balance of the universe.
    Anikin destroyed the Jedi, Luke the Destroyed the Sith. Now Rey and Kylo-Ren are on either side respectively continuing the eternal struggle of positive and negative Jedi vs Sith.

    p.s we should all probably over look that Anakin/Vader didn't really totally destroy the Jedi, because Luke became a Jedi when he through down his sabre after defeating Vader "i am a jedi, like my father before me"
    and Luke didn't totally destroy the sith as we have seen with Snoke. but Shhhh don't tell any one that part.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 9, 2016 ---
    brief run through
     
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    that is so true.
     
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    You're wrong and I think it would be futile to explain why. Besides, it's hard to take your opinions seriously with the avatar you've chosen and your apparent preference of the PT over the new movie.

    This is not a still, but a video of their performances in the PT -
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    You can clearly see they're both overjoyed at the prospect of being in love.
     
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    I like how the Mortis arc is always being ignored. It wasn't even subtle about the prophesy.
     
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    I interpreted the prophecy of Anakin bringing balance to the Force as eliminating the Sith as per Lucas' explanation, the Dark Side isn't a natural part of the Force, but more like a cancer to an otherwise healthy body. But apparently there was this arc in The Clone Wars series (that I never watched), where Anakin is needed to balance the Son and the Daughter who represent the Dark and Light Side of the Force respectively, implying that the Dark Side is just another side of the Force.
     
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    Folks folks. Don't overthink this stuff.

    Balance = No Sith/Dark Side users. It does not mean equal amounts of each. It means Harmony! There can be no Harmony in the force with Sith/Dark siders trying to control the Galaxy.

    When you balance the PH in your pool, you have Harmony. Not equal amounts of dirty and clean water.
    When you balance your check book, you have Harmony. Not equal amounts of debt vs income.
    When you balance your diet, you have Harmony. Not equal amounts of junk food vs nutritional foods.

    Balance is when evil is eradicated and there is Harmony.
     
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    Exactly. I've used the pH pool analogy myself. Well said, sir!
     
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