How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

"Our ideas"? Sorry but I wouldn't put my name to what is implied there, thanks.

 

No we didn't. You eventually backtracked and admitted the Sith were evil, though.

Anakin killing the Jedi had nothing to do with bringing balance & Anakin destroyed the Sith - not Luke.

You also originally stated that balance wasn't restored so you have changed your opinion there too.

I've come to the conclusion that you're either a troll or someone that really needs to think before they post. If anyone is wondering why I have said that, please read back through our "discussion".

And it's "Anakin" not "Anikin". If you're able to upload videos about Stsr Wars to YouTube you should be capable enough to find out the correct spelling of the main character.

 

I think the 'Chosen One' plot line has finished. The sequel trilogy will deal with children of the chosen one and Anakin Skywalker's legacy. There is no balance in the force if the Resistance doesn't build their own megaweapon or bring the Jedi master back. These will be a storyline for Episode VIII. Nobody make a peace treaty if they realize they're the upper hand and can win. Balance of the force is just like nuclear detente we see in current World affair.

As a Dark side believer, destroy the Sith is not the only way to bring out the balance.

 

So how is balance restored? How will it ever be restored?
What needs to happen for there to be balance?

Oh right thanks for that.
Last time I checked though, we were talking about the Jedi and Sith being good and evil and you were on about it being perspective. And failed to see the connection between how the Sith cause imbalance and how the Jedi restore balance.
Of course there are themes within Star Wars that go beyond the black white notions of good and evil.
But it's a plot point set in stone that the Sith cause imbalance by spreading evil thus empowering evil above good in the galaxy. Whereas the Jedi destroy the Sith thus allowing good and evil in the galaxy to be equal...balanced.

This coming from the guy who can't spell or form a coherent sentence.
Are you telling me that the Sith don't symbolise evil? The Sith themselves are a metaphor for evil!

Says he who has continuously stated that I am wrong.

I'm trolling you off because you constantly fail to grasp, either purposefully or through ignorance, what I am saying. You dodge any questions I put to you when I answer all your crazy ones. Then you finish each post by saying lol or that I have come to your way of thinking - when I really haven't!

Such as? Because I have changed my opinion of many theories based upon TFA. I am not set in stone on a number of them.
But when it comes to the balance of the Force, my view is directly in line with Lucas' and what we see in the movies.
You're the one saying something like:

There can't ever be balance, but balance was kind of brought in ROTJ when LUKE destroyed the Sith, but he didn't really bring balance, Anakin's bloodline will bring balance by ensuring the Jedi and Sith have equal power but the imbalance in the prequels was caused by the Jedi (even though it was the Jedi's powers that were diminished) and the Sith (which is interesting because how can both sides of the Force be unbalanced?!). The Sith think they're good so there isn't really any evil and they don't cause imbalance. (But you then agree, finally), that the Jedi are good and the Sith are evil but still fail to see how this impacts upon the balance of the Force.

It's nuts.

I'll ask again - what causes imbalance? How can it be balanced?

I don't know it all, it just seems that way when I am in a debate with someone of your ilk.

P.s. The fact that you have gone through every one of my posts and disliked or trolled it is telling.

P.p.s:

Your quotes:

"Anikin destroyed the Jedi.
Luke destroyed the sith. (via Darth and his own efforts)
The prophecy was at this point kind of fulfilled. Because balance was restored."

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"SIMPLE IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

After ROTJ balance was not brought."

 

Thanks professor. I know what a metaphor is. Now just let me regain my composure from the shock of you being able to spell it.
My point was clearly that the Sith embody evil. And they are essentially a metaphor for the devil on our shoulder, whispering in our ear.
The Sith ONLY use their passions - anger, hatred, greed. The Jedi use love and compassion. Thus, as a metaphor for the real world, the Jedi and Sith represent the two sides of people.

I haven't had anyone try and elaborate anything for me. I know all too well about the deeper philosophical meanings inherent in Star Wars. I wrote my dissertation on it and without trying to sound like a dick, got a high 1st. There is nothing simplistic about what I am saying regarding the balance of the Force. And if it comes across that way, it cannot be helped - that is the way it is.
There is a balance of good and evil in the galaxy.
The Jedi maintain that balance.
The Sith emerge and empower the evil thus upsetting the balance.
The Jedi destroy the Sith and restore the balance.
And so on.

My goodness. Have you ever tried reading back the tosh you post?

Which is what you did to me! You took separate quotes and said they were contradictory. I asked why they were and you didn't answer. Because they weren't.
I do the same to you and you throw a hissy fit about it. Fact is, you said balance was restored then say it never is.
And let me ask you again - how is balance restored? Can it be restored?

I copied your words. Posted them under the line "your quotes". How else can i quote you?

No you didn't. You never even explained what the contradiction supposedly was!

Yes.

No.

Opposed to metaphorically?

So again, you're attributing balance to Jedi and Sith being around. This shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what the Force is.
The Force is an energy field created by all living things. This life, creates the good and bad energy that makes the good side and the bad side of the Force.
When the Sith are about they add to the bad side by spreading their evil everywhere - impacting on the life that creates the Force.
All the Jedi do (and sometimes they haven't been great at it) is destroy the Sith. This then stops the spread of evil and then good and evil in the galaxy are balanced.

Neither side existed? What does that even mean? Luke WAS a Jedi. We don't even know what Snoke is or was at the time.
We don't know if there were other Jedi like Ezra or Kanan about.
The point is that the big players, the Sith Empire, was what caused the imbalance and by destroying it, Anakin brought balance.
How can you not see this? Lucas spelled it out for you!

Of course there will always be conflict. LIKE I SAID, there is always good and evil. But when the Sith aren't about evil isn't everywhere. It doesn't leave the Force in darkness. It's balanced. Good and bad things happen. But then the Sith emerge and it's mostly bad blast going down.

But you're saying equally opposed = there are Jedi and Sith on either side.
That is WRONG.
It's equally opposed as you put it when the Sith are dead because only then are good and evil balanced.
And I'm not really sure what you mean by literally balanced - again, opposed to what?

Yes.

Yes, after they see the Sith are back in TPM.

Yes, we are...

Yep...

Yes, Yoda says this in ROTS - a good 25 years before Anakin actually brings balance!
This line is there to show that the jedi are doubting the prophesy to be true. And when Anakin turns evil they think it was false.
But then, Luke does the unthinkable and manages to redeem his father who then brings balance - proving Qui Gon right all along.

See above. THIS HAPPENED IN ROTS! What do you think Ben said to Force Ghost Anakin after he destroyed the Sith? They're all standing next to each other, very happy. Job done. Anakin did it after all. It amazes me that you can't grasp that.

In the PT! That's the tragedy! He turned bad! But he eventually brought balance - as we see in ROTJ! As Lucas says a million times! As what is plainly obvious!

Yes. It. Was.
They might decide to change that now and make it so that balance wasn't restored. They could do that.
But I don't see anything yet that suggests they are going in that direction.
In fact, the quote at the start of TFA novel shows that they are simply showing how balance can be restored but then lost again. That there will always be an evil force emerging (as Maz alludes to in her castle). This evil will always threaten the balance. That is why THE JEDI ARE NEEDED. Without the Jedi, no one can stop the evil and the Force will remain unbalanced.

See above.

Good and evil exists outside of the Jedi and Sith. But they have the strongest influence upon it because of how their actions impact upon the billions of beings in the galaxy that actually create the Force itself.

Yes.

Is blowing up a planet a concept? Killing scores of villagers? Murdering children? Enslaving entire planets?
That's evil in action.

No. People who think they aren't evil after they have murdered a billion people are still evil. They still committed evil. And their evil impacted on everything and everyone.

They could and they do. But the Jedi are right and the Sith are wrong!
Was Hitler evil even though he thought himself good? Did he commit evil?

But if one side is committing genocide and the other is trying to prevent that, can you not see that one side IS GOOD and one side IS BAD?

You're actually justifying the actions of the Sith? The Sith who manufactured the entire war in the first place?
Unbelievable.

The people on the death star weren't innocent. They were a part of a super weapon that destroyed worlds and killed billions.
You're essentially arguing that the Nazi's were innocent, in spite of the holocaust.

No. That wasn't evil. That was a good man doing all he could in the moment to prevent the most evil being in the galaxy from becoming Emperor.
Would it have been evil to assassinate Hitler if you could go back in time and do that?

That's what Sidious tells the Senate. And heck, he might believe that. But is it peace? Is it justice? Is that how the citizens of the Republic feel?

I've answered the rest. No need for me to go on. I'll let other posters make their minds up.

Oh go on then:

I think it is obvious that Qui-Gon was wrong in Episode 1 and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The Phantom Menace refers to the force of the dark side of the Universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills Emperor is Darth Vader - also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction, and Qui-Gonn are correct - Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrfice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor.
- CUT interview 09/07/99?

 

Interesting, that was one of Hitler's favourite books.

Are you saying that there is no such thing as an evil action?

Oh and I didn't call you a Nazi. I said:

"You're essentially arguing that the Nazi's were innocent, in spite of the holocaust".

In saying that there is no evil just perspective, you're saying the holocaust wasn't an act of evil.

 

I bring up the nazis because they provide a clear example how people with the perspective that they are right, commit heinous acts and are in fact evil.

This relates to the Sith who may justify their point of view but in fact commit evil acts.

Why can't you grasp that? You keep on about evil just being a perspective. I am saying there are moral absolutes. The rape and murder of a child is such. That is evil. Blowing up planets for your own gain is evil.

The point is, the Sith commit these terrible things and thus spread evil far and wide. This unbalanced the Force. The Jedi of course do not. They destroy the Sith to end the empowerment of this evil. Restoring balance.

 

@FallenAngel

This debate is over. As well as not answering direct questions you're now reporting me for "calling you a nazi" when, as plain to see for everyone here, I did no such thing.

My point was to show there are moral absolutes. Sith commit evil. Like the Nazi's did. So much so that it unbalances the Force. The Jedi do not. If I saw Jedi destroy worlds for their own selfish desires, murder innocents or enslsve then I'd concede that they imbalance the Force. Alas they do not and this debate is over.

 

My take is that Anakin was the Chosen One and he had fulfilled the prophecy by serving as a catalyst to the destruction of the old Jedi Order and the Sith, whom both regarded the Force in extreme ways.

I hope and pray that Disney and Lucasfilm will NOT try some attempt to revive the Chosen One prophecy in order to add build up Rey's character even more. THERE IS NO NEED FOR REY TO BE THE "NEW" CHOSEN ONE". That would not only be too much, but it will also lead to Disney and Lucasfilmm going back on their word that both the OT and the PT are canon. Canon means Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One.

Perhaps there is no balance because people want to believe that "balance" is either the destruction of evil or the destruction of good. No one wants to believe that it is natural for both to exist at the same time.

 

@Trevor

You need to re read the posts as well.

Not once did I suggest anyone was a nazi or nazi sympathiser.

My point was about defining evil. Showing it is more than a concept.

I was saying that the holocaust is an obvious example of evil in action and is a good comparison to the actions of the Sith Empire. In saying there is no true evil and suggesting the Empire committed no evil is tantamount to saying the Nazi didn't commit evil - get it?

My "Hitler likes Nietzsche's book" was a reference to how even Hitler himself studied good and evil get didn't think himself bad! He justified his actions. Yet it is plainly obvious, like the Sith he was evil and did evil things!

If people can't understand that it's no wonder they can't understand the story of the flipping chosen one - which Lucas has explicitly explained for them! Jeez, I'm done here. I get called a prick and trolled with bad ratings by this moron and then he cries foul because I highlight his idiotic point about evil being more than a concept. And without understanding you Trevor then back up his insinuation?!

I'll tell you something, the Jewish people would be a lot more concerned by people suggesting evil is merely a concept depending on your own point of view than they would me using the term Nazi as an analogy for the Sith.

Unbelievable.