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How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FallenAngel, Feb 1, 2016.

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Does the title chosen one imply inherent goodness?

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  2. no

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  3. undecided

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  1. FallenAngel

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    is the church evil
     
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    I think organised religion is more of a force for evil than good, yes. But members of the church aren't necessarily evil. Most often, they are good folks.
    But not sure how this has any bearing on the obviously evil Sith in the Star Wars universe...
     
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    the roman empire?
    because they have wiped out every free things progressive person they could get there hands on, and oppressed thousands if not millions of women over the years but they won and wrote history accordingly
     
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    It had good and bad elements. Like the British Empire.

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    You added:

    "because they have wiped out every free things progressive person they could get there hands on, and oppressed thousands if not millions of women over the years but they won and wrote history accordingly"

    They committed a lot of evil for sure. I don't think it's remembered as a beacon of light.
     
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    upload_2016-2-2_14-12-16.png .
     
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    yeh it gets every where
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    victors decide who is good and evil
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    this is an important point though.
    because you say only evil can upset the balance. but there is no evil.

    so any one can cause imbalance
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    which means only when all aspects are covered equally is there ever true balance
     
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    Except in Star Wars we have the Force - which has a will - which requires the Sith be destroyed - because they are evil.
    Still, I'm sure we can all agree that Hitler, Stalin etc were evil?
    Can you not see how the Sith are presented as evil people? Do you think Maul looks like the Devil because he might not be evil after all?!
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    I can't keep going around in circles. Agree to disagree.
    You think evil is a perspective. I think evil actually exists and causes imbalance.

    The end.
     
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    i think it terms of star wars. there has to be a black and white type approach
    i believe yes the jedi are good, and the sith are the evil ones.

    but what we are discussing is beyond that isn't it.
    its how we perceive the more meta aspects of these basic principles. which has been fun.
     
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    To me, the concept is simple: the one who brings balance to the force will destroy the sith. that's means that the religion of the sith are something that shouldn't exist. Only the jedi should as in the church of the force and the the other FS's in the galaxy. the prophecy refers to TWO practicing evils and goods. as you said its black and white. its gone/doneso. that's why TFA/ST is about the grey line between good and bad and the differences between people's moralities .
     
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    That's why I think it's a shame they've just started remaking the OT again.
    It would've made far more sense, going by Lucas' moral ambiguity outline to not have obviously good and bad guys.
    I would've loved to have seen an opening shot of a large Republic ship pursuing an Imperial Remnant and blowing it out of the sky. Thus setting the stage for the notion that the New Republic isn't the beacon of light hoped for and that the old heroes, who have been sidelined, must find a way of making things right.
     
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    To be fair, we only know what we saw...they are clearly going for a Refrmation type of a deal...During Reformation, even though we freed the salves, we pretty much destroyed the south and the slaves ended up going back into slavery albeit being paid for it legally this time and ended up taking decades to rebuld the south during The Reformation Periods . It took 30+ years. i think it (sort of) makes sense that we idn't see the opening you are optimizing. That's the way I am seeing the new republic in tfa. The reason I bring this up to The Prophecy is because bu this time it's over and done with and in the real world, Lincoln was the most similar to our sw prophecy and it was fulfilled .
     
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    But the Republic is still the Republic (or was), the Resistance are essentially the Rebels and the FO are the planet destroying Empire all over again. I personally would've done something different.
     
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    I would have flipped it on its head with the republic turning "evil" in the eyes of the fo whos spreading propganda ot the galaxy without any brute force...sort of like a true eviel except the weapon is their mind .
     
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    I think it would've made sense that the New Republic acted out of fear of things going south again. I thought it would be cool if they outlawed the Force. Literally banned its use and Luke, who was discovered to be Vader's son, was banished. Then as a new evil rises that makes the most of the mess that is the remnants of the Empire and the weak Republic, Luke has to come back and help the new heroes.
     
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    Maybe BdT's character outed Luke and destroyed the NR Jar Jar sTYLE AND then tehres damage control .
     
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    thats unfair, i think they were a brilliant film in there own right. while you watch the film there nothing like the original, its only retrospectively when you draw comparisons that theres similar themes, tell me one of the star wars films though that dosn't. and these are the films we love?

    they shrugged of the blast of the prequels and gave people star wars back dude?

    defo best since empire ?
     
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    Well, I disagree. I was very disappointed when I saw the film. Apart from a few differences that are a great inclusion to the saga, it felt like a re-run of ANH to me, just without the emotional pay-off. Don't get me wrong it's a good film. Very well made. Great new characters. Probably the best acted out of the saga. And it was funny. But I felt that it was lacking in originality. It didn't really take the mythology anywhere new. It was another Anakin/Luke in Rey on a desert planet meeting a droid that is being pursued by the bad guys as it has vital information for the survival of the blah blah blah. Another death star. etc etc. But more than that, like I say, all the main factions are interchangeable with those from the OT:

    FO = Empire
    Resistance - Rebels

    It's straight forward good vs evil again. I didn't see any of the ambiguity that Lucas once said he based this trilogy on. But I get why they did it that way. They wanted to please the fans and guarantee that they wouldn't make another PT (which I am a fan of by the way, in spite of its obvious flaws).

    Personally, I got more out of the PT (so far) because it was something new. It expanded the mythology (which is what interests me above everything else).
    It's probably unfair to judge TFA too much in that respect yet - we will have to await Episode VIII and see where some of the questions go.
    But my initial reaction to the film hasn't changed and I've watched it countless times already.
    I do wonder though whether it is more fun talking Star Wars than watching it (over the past 15-20 years)!

    p.s.

    My rank goes:

    TESB
    ANH
    ROTJ/ROTS
    TFA/AOTC
    TPM
     
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    yeh, i think the desert lands are kind of a staple diet of star wars, it was only more recently that the prequels introduced the bigger city types.
    i always saw the desert land as planets decimated by war or nomadic type places. a lot of the planetary systems are supposed to be like that.
    they need supplies and smugglers like han exploit them and such.

    i though they gave a new perspective in fin and his back story, that of the storm troopers and there origin.
    we had a villain with more depth then we have had before.

    we have heard about new jedi temples dotted around, (old temples new to us)

    we have relics like lukes jedi sword? and the possibility of an arthurian type excalibur (though I'm not sure i subscribe to it)
    possible sith mystic types.

    i was happy with it

    TESB
    ANH
    TFA
    ROTS
    the others
     
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    Well basing of the SW Saga, the chosen one is Anakin Skywalker. Then it leads me to be that when Yoda said there is another (which he mentions Leia) I think to tie it in SW saga and the Sequel trilogy, That Rey (to me) could be the chosen one. more force driven and possibly can be the one can bring balance back to the force. Im just going with the canon and for now Anakin did what he had to do and killed palpatine.
     
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