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Intriguing new character named Aya

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Bimboo

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    (pinging @robotical712 for better insights on this, essentially I'm paraphrasing his analysis hereafter )

    It's really really unclear.
    1. the 'Tide' legend is told by Flux/Aya, described as 'a woman'. At the same time one of the protagonist (who is 15) refers to Flux a being only 'a few years older'. So She must be in her early 20's maybe ?
    2. Flux/Aya met Luke on her waterworld when she was 12 : about 8 years have passed between her meeting and the telling of the story ?
    3. The last legend (where Luke is trapped inside a space worm) has weak evidences that Luke is significantly older than when he met Flux/Aya : he has a beard, his A-Wing is worn out and he appears more serene than during the Tide legend. Maybe he is 30 during the Space Worm legend ?
    Summary: By the end of the Book, Flux could be in her early 20s, Luke would be in his early 30s and they met like 8 year ago ? But again the evidences are quite weak... Does it contradict timeline established elsewhere ?
     
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    This is the most interesting non-Rey Skywalker theory that I have read.
     
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    Rey was born in 15 ABY. By that time Luke is 34.

    If Luke in the last legend is in his 30s....
    I'd say the timeline may match, I think.
     
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    It in fact makes Rey a Skywalker however.

    A daughter of Luke and a Aya , girl, probabaly in her 20's which belonged to remote and isolated human people which are strong in the Force.-

    For instance in a trial Luke can not catch a big fish with his extremly long spear while Aya can, than she learns Luke that he uses the Force wrong way and than he catches it....she reports to her elderly that he is very attuned to the Tide .

    I mean,in theory, a child born of Luke and Aya would be even stronger (by genes) than Ben Solo.

    Luke saved Aya's life, she would die if Luke didn't came up (obviously by the will of the Force) she will drawn.

    She, again I am stretching it since this is not said literaly, will lay her life down for him many years later as a grown women, by giving him child, and hiding it, or set by tragedy, for even Luke not to know it.

    Is Luke mourning her in fact?

    It was neccessity to maintain balance?, Aya was guided by the Tide.
     
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    I like that even better. I thought that folks were talking about Aya trying to get her daughter to Luke because the Force was willing it. If Luke is daddy, that is even better.
     
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    She tells to Luke, though it could be interpeted maybe differently but I see it like that, aparat from smiling to him( he smiles to her), and obviously seeing him as moral man(who also saved her life)....she says that she wants to participate in the balance of the Force.

    Rey's power is definitely balancing. Rey is balancing character. Rian Johnson says Rey is oposition , good against evil in which Ben has succumbed.

    And Luke,... he deserves kid. He is so great in this book, his energy, his quest for knoweldge, his spirit..his giving himself for the others, ......so this that struck him was terrible.

    If he is in fact amongst other mourning Aya,there on Ahch-To, which strangely resembles Aya's planet, it would make great story.

    Of course we can not be sure. I am crossing my fingers for this to be it.
     
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    Interresting thoughts. The Luke Legends point to his Line in TLJ:" It's much bigger!"
     
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    Another story used to hint at Rey's parents...

    Trolling? True? Either way, it's getting people talking.
     
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    Perhaps most visual addition to our preception of the Force, and the addition to the canon, has been given by Luke's trial in catching marlin on the Aya's planet Lew'el, using extremly long spears while riding the back of giant bird.

    Extremly difficult task, in which Luke uses his Force abilities to try to hit the fish, and misses numerous times.(one must stab fish in water with spear why flying on a bird above sea !).

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    "I don't understand", he finally said, sounding defeated. "I've used up every trick I know----"

    "Why do you not trust the Tide? asked Aya.

    "Why do you always try to use it?

    I dont understand" said Seeker. "How can I accomplish what i need to do without calling on the Force's help?

    "I've never seen anyone so sensitive to the Tide" said Aya. I don't think even Grandmother is your match. But you stand apart from the Tide.

    You do not let yourself be immersed in it".

    "The Force is my ally"

    Aya shook her head, frustrated. "That's not what I mean. You can't let go. You want to be in control.

    But you must trust the Tide.

    You must let it uplift you and push you where it already knows you must go."

    Seeker said nothing as he looked pensive, than nodded to Aya to tell him more.

    "You cannot catch the marlin on your own, no matter how much you try to bend the Tide to your will" Aya said.

    "You have to trust the Tide to gude the fish and the tip of the spear together, and put yourself in the will of the Tide's ebb and flow".

    "So,...you are saying that lack of trust that things will work out without my intervention is why I cannot catch the fish", said Seeker.

    Yes, that is it, exactly.
     
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    Like going into exile, wait and see.
    No matter how much my sister, my brother in law, the resistance and the galaxy are desperate.
    Then Rey shows up there.

    It's at least an explanation of Luke's actual attitude.
    Maybe foreshadowing things to come.
     
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    Luke's vegetarian. He didn't want to harm the fish.
     
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    Exactly, Luke has given himself trusting the flow of the Tide.He is on Ahch-To , waiting the flow and ebb of the Force to synchronize and bring solution...to trust the Tide..just as Aya has told him...and it had brought him ....Rey.
    Luke has transceded Jedi ways.
     
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    What color r Aya's eyes? Does she keep her hair in 3 buns! Does she have a staff or spear?

    Ahhhh probably just another red herring!
     
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    The placing of the story definitely doesn't square with Flux being only a few years older than 15. While FtD doesn't haven't any specific dating information, it does seem to be during the early stages of Luke's travels. He seems to have no problem spending a month there and displays no indication of having students. Second, the later story, Big Inside, has a subtle, but definite reference to FtD when the teller wasn't present for that story. Big Inside appears to take place during Luke's late 20's/early 30's based on the accompanying picture (I asked Matt Martin if they're supposed to closely reflect the story and he said they do). As this is supposed to be close to TFA/TLJ, I see two explanations:
    1) Flux is not Aya.
    2) Teal got her age wrong.

    I personally lean towards 2 (to further support this, Flux is consistently referred to as a woman in the text).
     
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    That little what has been mentioned about Aya's look (when she was hiding in cargo ship) was that she looks clearly out of the place. She is dressed very simply, simple robe, humble.

    Red herring or not we have this facts in the canon now to think of:

    1. Luke has , some time after the battle of Endor, in his quest for knowledge, meet than a teenage girl who belonged to isolated subgroup of humans on a distant planet. A people who preserved ancient precious knowledge about the Force, which they called the Tide.

    2.Girl was saved by him from drawning, she smiled at him, a mention of Luke makes her eyes bright(even years later).

    3.She has, few years later, at her age of probabaly 20 decided to go to find Luke, as she in fact promissed this when he was leaving.

    4.Her, Aya , is Force sensitive young human women. Her grandmother, considered an authority, is in the novel compared in its Force ability with Luke's own
    (Aya's words imply Luke is probably slightly more Force sensitive than her grandmother, and Luke compares wisdom of her grandmother with that of Yoda himself)..

    .............................

    Where is she?,
    or where she ended?,
    what was her destiny consdering "Journey" to the sequel trilogy?,
    and what is her purpose in the canon?
     
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    Just think about it.

    A last canon book released as a part of "Journey to the Last Jedi" brings
    this epic story of Tide,

    a great Tide., the Force.

    and than I look on this picture. below.

    Can it be coincidence?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Very Avatarish.
     
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    So Lew'el is a planet that was hidden from the galaxy for thousands of years, and then suddenly some time after the events of ROTJ was "rediscovered"?

    This is EXACTLY the same (now decanonized) story of the planet Hapes, homeworld of Tenel Ka.

    If Disney and Lucasfilm are just going to continue "stealing" ideas from the old EU, why decanonize all of it?
     
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    Galaxy is big place.

    Aya and her people had unconditional thrust in the will of the Force(Tide). Aya was only (potential)mother in known canon that could have left a child in the Jakku, believing(knowing !) that the Force will take care of her child.

    That the Force will use the Rey, when time comes. She left Rey believing the Force will use and guide her, when the time and circumstances will be right.



    "You must let Force uplift you and push you where Force already knows you must go."

    "You have to trust the Force to gude the fish and the tip of the spear together, and put yourself in the will of the Force's ebb and flow".

    Aya.
     
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    Hapes is canon. Also, using the same logic as yours, the original Star Wars steals from Sleeping Beauty, as both are about saving the princess.
     
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