SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

I just hope we'll discover that Poe, Finn, Snoke and Hux are Skywalker too.

I will sure wet my pants.

 

If thye continue making them, yes. Thats what makes them Saga Films.

However they'll also make a whole bunch of movies between now and 2966 that aren't about the Skywalkers. They may even do it in the form of a trilogy or two.

Look at it this way - The Star Wars Story movies are like Marvel's individual hero movies. They could be about thing, set in an era, star any hero, etc.... The Saga films are like the Avenger Films, they have to be about the Avengers, its the point.

 

There's a difference between something being a Saga, and something being part of the Saga.

That's true for now, but that's not to say we will only ever have those 2 designations.

You're really taking that position to an extreme there.

 

Everybody, the whole KK quote thing is so simple: Episodic films are Skywalker films. Anything else will not have an episode number attached to it. "THE Saga" films are Skywalker films and they are named according to the following format: Star Wars Episode [X] - [Some Clever Title like "Attack of the Clones"]. The "A Star Wars Story" films are for everything else. At least until they change their minds, that is, as @bigbayblue points out...

They can very well make a trilogy about the Old Republic (pre-Episode 1 era, so what could they call it? Episode 1/2? Episode negative 1?), a Han Solo Trilogy (again, no episode numbers), an OB1 Trilogy (no episode numbers), or if all Skywalkers die at the end of Episode IX like @master_shaitan suggests, then a trilogy about the post-Skywalker Jedi (without episode numbers). Again, ALL of these kinds of movies would fall under the "A Star Wars Story" film category like, "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story."

Now, to extrapolate from that, what @Canadian Ronin is saying is really quite simple, too: If there are any more movies after Episode IX with an episode number attached to it, it will be part of the Skywalker Saga. Period. From his perspective, they can continue such movies with a redeemed Ben Solo being "the Skywalker" to lead such a subsequent trilogy in the episodic movies. But to him, from a marketing sense, it is more logical to have someone as the protagonist actually carry the Skywalker name through both the ST and any SST (Episodes X-XII), like a Rey Skywalker.

I mostly agree with @Canadian Ronin about such continued episodic movies, both ST and post-Episode IX movies, within the Skywalker Saga. My only caveat is that the PT really did have Qui-Gon/Padme, and/or OB1, as the lead protagonist(s) rather than Anakin. The PT was undoubtedly about Anakin's fall, but he was never really a "good guy" lead... at least in my mind. Accordingly, it is entirely possible that the ST will mirror or "rhyme" with the PT by having another non-Skywalker serve as the lead protagonist. That's why I think my overall favorite idea would be to have the ST further mirror the PT by having Rey be a Kenobi... [EDIT: and maybe also a Skywalker!]

I know some people don't like all of this mirroring and rhyming stuff (Ring Theory), but it is really what I admire most about the PT: all of the complicated structure that George Lucas put into it. I don't care for the overall execution, but I admire the genius it took to invoke the Ring Theory from a structural standpoint (and even visual, in some circumstances). Some folks have already illustrated some of the visual "rhyming" that appears in the ST (i.e. in the lightsaber duels) that in my mind are highly suggestive that TPTB are invoking such Ring Theory in the ST... and I like it. A lot.

Very true. At some point, TPTB may decide to wrap up the "Skywalker Saga," and launch a new episodic saga with someone else as the lead family or character. But as of right now, what KK has said puts all of the currently planned movies into one of two categories: (1) Episodic Skywalker Saga, and (2) A Star Wars Story(ies).

That's what @Bandini does: The sarcastic wit is strong in that one.

 

Extreme ? Tell me how ? It's a fact.

Who are the characters of this trilogy ? Poe, Finn, Rey, Kylo Ren, Luke, Leia, Han Solo ... Who did I forget ? BB8 ?

 

TPTB treat Star Wars as a high-budget TV show that is released theatrically with episodes. It's based around one family, like The Simpsons or The Sopranos. Or how Full House (continued by Fuller House) was based around the Tanner family, or how Home Improvement is based around the Taylor family. They don't want to replace the Soprano or Simpson family with some other family in their theatrical 'TV show'. That is the message that has been put out there. They've been putting it out since before TFA was released. The Star Wars episodes are about the Skywalker family, and the real TV shows and spin-off movies are about other families. And Rey is the main character during this current trilogy of Star Wars episodes.

 

They could things up at anytime. But until they do, thats what we have and we have no reason to think thing will change, when or how.

 

Not really. Star Wars is about the Force. And the Force is for everybody.

 

Really? Who says Star Wars is about the Force. I've never gotten the impression the force is the main factor in all things Star Wars. Thats like saying LotR is about Magic.

And even if you're right - only 1 piece of the stories being told in the Star Wars Universe, the saga movies, are about the Skywalker family.

Rogue One and Han Solo movies aren't about the Skywalkers. The Poe Dameron and Alphra comics aren't. The Lando, Chewie and 3PO comics weren't. The Tarkin Novel, Aftermath novel, Catalyist, Lost Stars, New Dawn, Life Debt, etc.... weren't about the Skywalker family. The Rebels Cartoon isn't.

Just because 1 series of films is about the family doesn't mean all of Star Wars is.

 

You didn't forget anyone, it's the part about it meaning that the Force is only for Skywalkers where your line of reasoning goes to an extreme. The new trilogy does not exist in a vacuum, but even if it did, we know that Snoke is a Force user, and that Luke had a school of trainees that were presumably not made up entirely of Skywalkers. And there still could be others introduced before it's over.

Even if this trilogy only ever has two new Force users as key characters, and they both turn out to be Skywalkers, there's no implication that the Force is only for Skywalkers.

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I actually think we have every reason to believe it will change - and not too far into the future. The "Star Wars Story" designation is just to help people understand that the movie isn't part of the main Saga. But that will become clear to audiences pretty soon, if it hasn't already. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they dropped it from the Han Solo movie, and the title ended up being something like Star Wars: Hand Solo's Gambit. Then the sequel to that could be something like Star Wars: Han Solo's Fortune (and let's not kid ourselves, Lucasfilm wants there to be more than one Han Solo movie).

It's pretty likely that after Ep9, they will decide to let the main Saga lay dormant for a while, but they aren't likely to go to nothing but stand alone films - whether it's one of examples that @Dark_Toilet gave us or something else entirely, there is going to be some entirely different story-line that will need a brand new moniker.

 

This is way too much.

A family dinner should be enough.

No need gigantic decors for a force "huis clos".

 

they made drop the Story from the title and stuff, but they'll sill be star wars story films.

What else is there beside Saga and Non-Saga movies? That kinda covers all the bases.

 

Unless you add a base. You could have Saga Films, Old Republic Films, Han Solo Films and Story Films. At that point the Star Wars Story Films would come to mean not part of any other series.

 

Yes that was the point of Kennedy's quote. The Saga films are aout the Skywalkers, the Anthology films are abut everything else.

The Old Republic, Han Solo and "Story" Films are all Anthology/Star Wars Story films.

 

It's funny that you found my comment extreme but having 4 Skywalker as the 4 main protagonist of the movie right on point

 

Your argument is that all Saga Films, even if they go on until 2966, are about the Skywalkers. So by your definition, if Lucasfilm decides that the main series driving the story forward should (even for a time) not follow the Skywalkers, those films would not be Saga Films. And since the point of calling Rogue One (or any other non-Saga film currently in the works) a Star Wars Story Film is to designate to audiences that it is not part of the main story-line, that would necessitate a new moniker.

If Lucasfilm were to decide to make a trilogy of Old Republic movies, a trilogy that takes place after Ep9 that does not involve the Skywalkers, and continue to make occasional stand alone movies - but still called them all Star Wars Story Films, that would essentially render the designation meaningless.

There's nothing about Kennedy's quote than even implies that the two different labels put on the current slate of Star Wars movies are the only two lables that will ever be used.

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Why? The two concepts are in no way contradictory. They aren't even related.

 

Not gonna happen. All these talks are wishes. The story group didn't go that way.

Unless Disney recruited them in Santa Barbara.

 

Leia isn't a main protagonist. She's a minor supporting character. Ben/Kylo isn't a protagonist at all. He's one of the main villains even if he's redeemed at the end. Luke and Rey would be the only Skywalker main protagonists and even Luke's role is likely to be more supportive than primary.

 

Stop quibbling. You understood what I meant.

Leia is a minor character of Star Wars ...

 

One important thing to remember is that future movies will be centered around the most popular characters. The mystery surrounding Rey is awesome and I love her character, but I probably like Finn or Poe's character more. What I really loved about TFA is that they did an outstanding job establishing all these new characters. In a poll 3 years ago the most popular character was Han Solo. R2, Chewie, Obi-Wan were more popular than Luke and Leia. Being a Skywalker isn't the priority. Developing popular characters is the priority. The future saga films will always tied to the seven episodes we've seen and the legacy of Skywalker and Han Solo will always be there, but the priority for future filmmakers is to make a popular film and not adhere to some dogmatic Skywalker soap opera.