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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    Without the OT, TFA makes very little sense.
     
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    Sure. It's the first of three movies.

    The things that will give sense to TFA are ep VIII and IX not Ep IV and VI.
     
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    But you can say that for any story-line, including if Rey turns out to be a Skywalker.

    If Kylo Ren was Ben Darklighter, he could still have the same power. He could even still be fixated on Darth Vader. And if it turns out that Rey isn't related to him, then it matters even less.

    That's how it looks to me too. But if that's the case, and Rey turns out to be a Skywalker, that would be no more giving people what they want than any other aspect of the new trilogy.

    I guess I don't worry about that too much. Creative limitations come from the studio, audience expectations, having to adhere to all of the non-movie canon material - not to mention the fact that it has to fit the tone and scope of a "Star Wars Movie". But every movie faces creative limitations of some form or another. What matters to me is that executives care about presenting a good story, and both Disney and Lucasfilm seem to. It doesn't guarantee a good result, but it give us the best chance.

    Vader had to die, since his sacrifice is a major factor it how he was redeemed. I don't see how you could have an honest redemption for Kylo that just involved him switching sides. Even if his "soul" was turned to the light, there would still need to be consequences for his actions. People that commit mass murder aren't excused from prison just because they realize what they did was wrong.

    Wouldn't that apply to any Jedi? It doesn't matter what the Jedi's last name is, he/she will always face the same issues.

    I'm sure Disney is already trying to figure out how to make more movies with Daisy Ridley as Rey. If they had been in charge in 1983, I guarantee you that RotJ would not have been the last movie with Luke Skywalker as the lead character. If Kylo Ren is to go through a redemption arc, they would almost have to have him in a second trilogy, since at this point in the current trilogy he still hasn't finished his descent.

    Well put. I don't have any problem with the choices they made for TFA. I think they went a little too far with the ANH parallels, but they more than made up for that with they things they did well. But now they have to forge new ground, and they are very likely doing just that.
     
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    From Empire's End (copied post from another site including extracts):

    Gallius Rax in the observatory:

    He is in there with Tashu, he sees a gift that Palpatine left for him, a "broken Shah-tezh board. It lies shattered on the floor in halves. All around it are the pieces, also broken. Only two pieces remain: the imperator and the outcast. He wonders, is that how Palpatine saw him? As the outcast? This is new. Gallius never knew that. It hits him like a slap to the face."

    "His role was never to preserve the empire but to destroy it."

    "Whatever Palpatine thought of him before, he is no longer the outcast. Rax has become the imperator"

    Then they continue to walk until they come to a well.

    "The well is a channel bored through the schist and mantle of jakku, drilled so deep it touches the center of the world. The well flows with wisps of blue must winding up through orange firelight. The light pulses and throbs like a living thing."

    Palpatine told him that jakku was overgrown with green and home to oceans. "He said that though the surface of the world no longer shows it, the core still has that vital spark of life essence (and he added "that essence disgusts me").

    Tashu starts admiring the artifacts in the observatory.

    Rax lies to Tashu telling him that they are there to reincarclnate Palpatine. So Rax helps Tashu put on a mask that has eyes of blood red kyber crystals and a Lance. And then he hands Tashu a holocron.

    Tashu then feels the dark side of the force "all the death and disoair of the world is filtering through me. I can feel it on the back of my tongue. Captured there like a struggling moth"

    Rax then brings Tashu by the well and throws him into "the most and the light" of the well. Causing a "fierce growl" as the world shudders. And adds that "Palpatine was right. The artifacts contain a great deal of energy.".

    "And now they have dropped into the core of this world. With the well open, that energy will vent. So begins the chain reaction that will destroy everything. The planet will soon begin to crack. It shall break apart. It'll swallow the empire and the new Republic fleets and soldiers whole. When it does it will leave this galaxy to the scavengers and the scum, rotting like a fruit lying forgotten in the dirt. Though an idle thought troubles him: all fruit, no matter how rotten, can leave behind seeds.

    Then enters Sloane

    Does this tie into Rey's origins? I mean:

    When it does it will leave this galaxy to the scavengers and the scum, rotting like a fruit lying forgotten in the dirt. Though an idle thought troubles him: all fruit, no matter how rotten, can leave behind seeds.

    That's Rey in a nutshell isn't it?
     
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    you know.. there was a reason that they gave him a mask and a different name ;)

    The only way that Ben can be redeemed that ticks most people's boxes, is if we see that Ben Solo was not in control of what we saw Kylo Ren do.. that Ben Solo basically didn't exist.

    a wise moderator recently reminded us that Star Wars is about hope.

    With Han dying on screen, and Carrie unfortunately passing away at Xmas.. I hope to finally meet the child that we all wanted Han and Leia to have. Han gave his life trying to find his child on that bridge. If his son remains lost, then it was totally and utterly pointless.. i truly hope that isn't the case.

    If Snoke got to little Ben before he was even born... then in my mind little Ben needs to be saved. blame him for things he has done since? bloody hell, i don't. i feel heartbroken for him and the solo's. The boy needs rescuing.
     
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    I agree with both of you wholeheartedly and felt this way especially after seeing Rogue One (and really loving THAT movie). It helped to illustrate for me a lot of the issues that people had with TFA and how much better it could have been (although some people also disliked R1, but to each his own). I agree that the rest of the ST needs to forge new ground but not necessarily by completely discarding what has come before. The same themes and "rhymes" can still work, if properly executed. The story of the PT largely mirrored and "rhymed" with the OT, too... But that wasn't the problem with the PT, the problem there was in the execution. In any event, I'm as confident as @DailyPlunge that the saga is set up to execute it well, whether Rey is actually Rey Random, Rey Imperial, Rey Solo, or Rey Skywalker.

    Indeed, it certainly seems as though it can include Rey. But be careful not to read too much one way or another into it. After all, the excerpts in Empire's End about the beginning of the battle of Jakku refer to pulling ships down to Jakku from both the Empire and the New Republic. So Rey can be a "seed" from either origin...
     
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    Perhaps. But that still rules out Han, Leia and Luke, does it not? That is unless Luke was running off to Jakku every now and again to see his mistress.
     
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    I know it's from an older post in this thread, but it stood out because usually you are quite precise and factful!
    Didn't you mean "That is why Kenobi was able to battle and defeat Anakin/Vader, despite loving him as a brother."? ;)

    Beside I agre with you fully on that whole subject of attachment! :eek::D

    I knew you would come around!:p:D:rolleyes:

    And I would also like to commend you for becoming more flexible and open to other possibilities!
    Reading through this thread, you stand out as having made a definate 'arc'!

    Personally I am fine with Rey being a Skywalker, or a Kenobi, or a "Random"... as long as they present it in a satisfying way that fits/serves the story!
     
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    I'm talking from Kenobi's point of view. At the time, he thought he had killed Vader. ;)



    How have I come around...and to what have I come around to?!
     
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    I see it more metaphorical than literal. After all, Rey was born how long after the Battle of Jakku? I don't think it rules anyone out at all...
     
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    I'm saying, if that is a nod to Rey then it kind of does suggest she isn't a Solo or Skywalker.
    And being born 10 years later makes sense if you consider that her parents were abandoned there by the Empire/guarded the old facility/force well.
    That gives them time to get together, be around this powerful force well and have Rey (who's power is now explained somewhat).
     
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    @master_shaitan has certainly had the most profound character arc and followed the Campbell monomyth hero's journey as anyone... right down to the rejection of the call to action. ;)
    Certainly possible, but it doesn't rule anyone out, Luke, Leia or Han Solo. I see it as a metaphor, nothing more, until proven otherwise by the movies. My old fallback position: We are being fed intentionally vague, conflicting information to keep the mystery up, keep us talking, and leave anything possible! Let's put it this way, the books are not going to be the complete and total spoiler for the biggest mystery in the movies...
     
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    lol!

    You keep peddling this myth that I have come to a new way of thinking!
    I have maintained for a very long time that a Jedi could have a family and remain non-attached!

    Indeed. But another piece of pro Rey Random evidence, me thinks...
     
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    Right, though I'm sure Obi Wan expected Anakin to die, I'm not sure he ever thought Anakin/Vader was actually dead! :confused:

    For stating 'the middle' as a viable option for Rey (and Ben) in the future!
    Because before you seemed to be almost against the notion!
    Don't worry, it was merely a friendly jab, not an accusation. ;)
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 21, 2017, Original Post Date: Feb 21, 2017 ---
    And true to character probably doesn't recognize himself in that assessment! :D


    I agree and will take it as it comes! I just hope they will do it justice...
     
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    Well, he walked away thinking he was going to die. My OP was that Kenobi was willing to destroy Anakin despite his love for him. Hence why I said "killed". However, in the book The Dark Lord, which I am not sure if it is canon or not anymore, Kenobi thinks Vader dead and is in a bar on Tatooine when he discovers that he is in fact alive.



    As a crossing point. Not a place they will reside in. You can't just stay in the grey. You pass through it towards the light or the dark. I am suggesting that Rey and Ren meet in the middle and then go in whatever direction from there. ;)

    I know, just wanted to ensure my pov was clear.
     
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    @Dark Toilet See what I mean? :rolleyes:
     
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    But they also know sometimes taking some time between projects is the best/only way to keep something profitable.
     
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    FAKE NEWS.
     
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    Nope, it's a part of legends now! All pre-2012 books - apart from the official movie-treatments - are no longer canon!


    Slipped through my fingers again!:p Though "...then go in whatever direction from there." is quite ambiguous coming from you!;)


    Is it? ;):p:D:rolleyes:
     
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