Life Debt and Episode VIII

It is interesting that Han and Leia are the only two characters who aren't part of the First Order who mention Snoke. It is definitely hard to call because Aftermath seems to be too far from when the First Order is made official and Bloodline doesn't mention Snoke. Just like Luke in the novels I think it's pretty clear Snoke is being kept out of the picture for good reason. They want info to be kept from us until either after VIII or even after VIII and IX. I wouldn't be surprised it VIII really doesn't answer much about Snoke or Rey based on how little info we really learned about everything in TFA. Maybe we get some info on one but not the other.

 

Come to think of it, what if they cherry pick from Timothy Zahn's novels and establish that Palpatine built a cloning facility on Jakku, but, it is now being used by The First Order to breed their soldiers. Think of Finn as a completely engineered Human with no parents, created in this facility solely to serve the First Order. I was thinking that a big twist could be that Rey was such an engineered child but to everyone's suprise, she turned out to be force sensitive, but that doesn't really work if Rey got dumped on Jakku...

 

Something tells me that Leia will begin to have a more prominent role in the New Republic Government after the assassination attempt to Mon Mothma and others. She also becomes Senator to the New Alderaan station being built from parts of the Death Star.

Snoke will probably end up being a private instructor, professor, or tutor to Ben when he is young. Leia sees that Snoke's influence on Ben is sending him down a dark path and then sends him away to Luke to see if the damage can be corrected. Han believed Ben had too much Vader in him and did not know of Snoke's influence until Leia tells him in TFA, Leia figured it was from the beginning.

Rax is basically unknown to the New Republic, they already believe that Sloane was the operator and main figurehead leading the Empire. Rax could easily become Snoke since the Imperials that knew him escaped and fled to the Unknown Regions, Rax was secretly setting up the First Order from Chandrilla or Hosnian Prime, or wherever the New Republic was being governed from. Rax would be around 70 by the time of TFA, if he was 10 in the prelude and epilogue in 'Life Debt'.

 

I think that there is a clear connection, just not convinced Rax and Snoke are the same person.

 

Not a bad piece of theory. Personally, I'm still undecided on Rey being Luke's daughter. We shall see.

Carise will be on my blacklist for a while. "Horrendous selfish witch" is a nice way to call her lol.

I nearly spit my coffee out on that one lol.

Actually here is a pic of young Ben dressed as a Pokemon trainer lol.

 

I recall that there was definitely conversation about whether or not to use clones between Ren and Hux, and that Finn talked about being taken away from his family. I'm voting for no genetic engineering.

 

You are so right! I had forgotten that discussion between Hux and Kylo Ren, I guess that's a theory I can now throw out the window!

 

I can't see how anyone could think Snoke and Rax are the same person. If Snoke is at least 7 ft tall wouldn't it be just stupid for this bizarre character trait to not be mentioned of Rax at all? Unless he's so strong with the force he can trick people in to seeing him as a normal human height, haha. On the off chance that Rax is Snoke I would also guess that Snoke would be his "Darth" title? I dunno anyway back to my original point, I don't think Rax is Snoke because there is nothing about him being 7 feet or more tall in aftermath.

If I had to guess? Whatever is at that spot on Jakku is somehow connected to Snoke, and the battle of Jakku was actually about capturing Snoke before the empire got him, and not about some super secret munitions base. I just pray Snoke isn't the son from the Mortis clone wars story.

 

While I would not bet money on Rax being Snoke, I do believe it could be possible. It is definitely a better theory than most of the other Snoke theories floating around whether it is true or not.

 

if so then this man has to reappear probably as a senator or some sort of teacher and take up the name of snoke.... you are right

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no Liea and Han both knew him he assumes another identity somehow and maybe is a senator or teach or in some service to the Senate--he had to have direct contact with Ben for a long time ......he probably knew who the father of liea an Luke an possitioned himself with Liea somehow

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Also I noticed that he talks the same way about Palpatine as snoke does in the TFA books --if this is not snoke this is a darn good red herring lol

 

I also think it's possible that Rax is Snoke. However, there are interesting allusions made to the "Consecrated Eremite" and young Rax even seems to think that Palpatine, when he first sees him, is this sacred hermit. He even says that they look similar, and I can't imagine this is just a throwaway line the reader is meant to ignore.

So perhaps Rax has some kind of relationship with Snoke: he could be his father, or maybe a kind of hermetic Obi-Wan figure to Rax; or maybe a kind of dark prophet meant to return one day (for example, when a Star Destroyer crashes on his place of meditation).

There's definitely more to be revealed in regard to this scared area on Jakku that will likely lead to a fuller understanding of Snoke.

However, on a different note regarding Rax, I'm not convinced that SW characters in universe would be that shocked by someone 7 foot tall. Heck, we have athletes close to that height and we don't think anything too fantastic about them.

Why would the writers not mention that detail? It would obviously give away that Snoke is Rax. Is it slightly unfair storytelling? Maybe, but writers are under no obligation to spoil the story for you. Sometimes information must be repressed for virtuous reasons.

 

I don't really subscribe to Rax=Snoke theory since Snoke is confirmed to be around to witness the end of Republic.. I'd say there's a chance however that Benicio Del Toro is playing Rax, unless Rax bites it during Battle of Jakku, which again, I feel is quite possible; I mean who could've been on that Super Star Destroyer that crashed onto the planet? obviously some big fish, so if not Sloane, than I'd say it had to be Rax.

 

Haha I wouldn't say "unfair storytelling" as much as bad. We have not seen any humans around 7 ft tall in the star wars universe that I can recall. To not mention that some super secret intelligence officer just happens to have a character trait that would make him stand out like a sore thumb? That is just awful writing. And yea in our world if you see someone who is 7ft tall in day to day life we absolutely look. I have a friend who is just shy of 7 ft and he gets spoken to about it constantly. Hell Im 6'3 and it get's brought up enough to be annoying.

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Hey I am actually a little ambiguous on the date of the battle of Jakku. We are still waiting for it at the end of aftermath correct? It will likely be the culmination of empires end correct?

 

Snoke was on a horrible accident, right? Maybe not all of his body survived, so he's got substantial mechanical parts. I particularly like to see historso and arms awkwardly field-grafted onto some random combat droids body.

 

Hooo boy so we're hoping Snoke basicly has the same history as Vader? Damaged and turned in to a cyborg.

 

Rax if he is snoke is not human but humanoid which he may be from the discription from Rae Sloane...I dont think there is an relation to Rey Rey was not from Jakku she was dropped off there which in fact be a good reason why she was dropped off... If snoke got what he wanted from jakku then he would not be visiting Jakku.... so that might be a very good reason to drop her there..... so if a speculate a little more could be snoke was hunting for her when she was 5

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Or Rae Sloane finally got a piece of him lol