Life Debt and Episode VIII

I've been waiting patiently to comment on this until I finished the book, which I finally got around to last night. I must say, I'm intrigued by the possibilities it opened up for the canon.

Personally I don't believe that Rax is Snoke. I think his grand plan is to bring back a cloned body for Palpatine's spirit to inhabit. Remember the part where the guard traitor is letting Tashu escape, and Tashu says I only serve Palpatine and the guard says, so does Emperor Rax? I don't think the plan works, I think it will be stopped by the aftermath team, maybe Brentin Wexley, and an outside chance of Luke's involvement. (Maybe intentional reference - in the EU Empire's end was the comic in which the last clone of Palpatine was destroyed, banishing him to the madness beyond death for eternity).

So who is Snoke? That's still very unclear but my wild speculation is that what happens on Jakku alerts someone else to the vacuum of the dark side. Someone, a force sensitive who has been in the unknown regions (maybe a former Jedi like Jorus C'boath who ventured out to explore) and stumbled upon the source of the Dark side (as mentioned in Aftermath 1 by Tashu), who returns, is welcomed by Luke and slowly influences Ben, while convincing Rax that he should take the mantle of Supreme leader of the Empire/FO now that Palpatine is completely destroyed.

Or Snoke could be some ancient Dark Jedi (Legions of Jakku anyone?) who was trapped in stasis for thousands of years but kept by Palpatine to be his new body - and the transfer failed but a badly deformed Snoke remained.

Yeah, I don't really know, but I'd be happy with either of those versions and/or some link to the Rakata.

 

I'm not so sure that Snoke isn't human. I mean he does have the anatomy of a human and a British accent.

Well a British accent will do it. Wait a minute. That doesn't work for Doctor Who. Naw, he's an alien.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 26, 2016, Original Post Date: Jul 26, 2016 ---

I like this idea for Snoke better than the Plagueis idea.

 

Both Snoke and Rax view Palpatine the same way and are critical of him so no i dont think he will try to bring back Palptatine ----- what ever is hidden below the surface of Jakku might be far more dangerous and make some one more powerful... beside both in the movie and the book so far neither snoke nor Rax seem to be force wielders not even Ren refers to him as master... notice Rax uses other means to control and brainwash people.... also, on the otherside of the coin notice as a boy (rax) when he talks to Palpatine and ask him if he is an anchorite or Eremite these are references of the father/son/daughter.. of Palpatine does not answer. Also bot Rax and snoke refer to the term to Test .... he is testing Sloane and he snoke refers to Ren that not even the master of the Knights of Ren has ever passed such a test... I am on the fence on this one -----So if this is snoke I am guessing he will disappear at the end of the book and somehow snoke will become known to the solo family to quote him we will see we will see

 

While we're on the subject of Snoke, has it been theorized at the Cantina that Snoke is Syfo-Dyas?

 

Here is where I am. If I had to guess, I would think that Georges ep 7 8 and 9 were about Plageuis. With everthing we know about Georges involvment in the old EU Plageuis book, with the fact that his story was very focused on the same Skywalker thread, with things like George personally making sure that the old toy lines kept production of the Plageuis toy... I dunno there is a lot of tangential evidence that he was supposed to be a big part of the new movies. At least that is how I feel.

As for what I think happened? JJ and Co got in and kept the broad strokes, have a Plageuis like character behind the FO, but changed much of the execution of how they are doing it. I'm now nervous we are now getting a retelling of the Mortis/ Abeloth story lines from the old E.U. Rey will turn out to be the incarnation of some supreme force being... there are the rumors and leaks relating to that tree, of a woman being the first to touch the force, a physical source of the dark side that are beginning to make me really nervous this is where we are headed.

 

I could be wrong but I remember reading somewhere that JJ Abrams and co. were no fans of the whole Sith mythology that Lucas brought in the prequels. They didn't like the fact they were all called Darth and that there were only 2 at a time, I'm guessing the Knights of Ren are their answer to this... Again, I could be wrong so don't take my word for it!

 

Yea I definitely got the vibe that ep 7 was an attempt to retcon a bunch of the prequel stuff. It's sad.

 

I have seen no evidence in the book nor the movie he is a force user ... he may be but we have seen no demonstration and in fact in the book i see him applying other tools

 

***Wild speculation alert***

The first time I saw Snoke onscreen I thought of the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. We have only seen a hologram so far. What if the "hologram" is more like an avatar; nothing like him to protect his identity?

 

On the surface, I like that idea a lot. But... didn't Sifo-Dyas die in Clone Wars canon?

 

I disagree on that one. For one thing he felt the awakening, didn't he? And I Bloodline it says Snoke was watching Ben - since he was little- from the shadows, manipulating him to the dark side.

 

The first time we were introduced onscreen to the Emperor in TESB there was as little evidence that he was a force user. Palpatine felt a disturbance in the force, Snoke felt an awakening.

 

Absolutely. Snoke is definitely a force user. That's canon. Now, while I don't believe and don't want Rax to be Snoke, and I don't think he'll turn out to be a force user, the fact he isn't seen using the force so far in the Aftermath trilogy, doesn't mean he isn't a force user. Palpatine isn't seen using the force in TPM or AotC and not until the final act of RotS. We just happen to know he can because we've already seen RotJ. In fact, in the movies, Palpatine is only ever seen using the force in the last act of the final film of the two trilogies. Darksiders like to hide that they have that ability to all but the select few.

Still don't think they're the same person though.

 

Even Star Wars Database states that Snoke is force sensitive:

The Supreme Leader of the First Order, the mysterious Snoke has no permanent base of operations, preferring to contact his underlings from a mobile command post. Snoke is powerful with the dark side of the Force, and seduced Kylo Ren into abandoning the Jedi path to become his apprentice. But Snoke also commands General Hux and the technological war machine the First Order has engineered to destroy the New Republic and Leia Organa’s Resistance.

Source: http://www.starwars.com/databank/supreme-leader-snoke

 

B...but....that doesnt support my personal pet theory! So it can't be correct. /s

Cmon guys he's obviously a force user. What in the world is even going on on these boards lately? I've seen some pretty seriously bizzare stuff with little supporting evidence gain traction.