Luke gets smashed by the KOR

Luke is no ordinary Jedi. The scale and scope of his potential is established being completely on a level above Sidious by the mythology of the Episodes 1-6 and statements we have about both he and Anakin. You saw what Sidious did with three out of four Jedi in ROTS. The other one was an especially strong duelist and had a couple of idiosycratic Force-based advantages under his belt, but who Sidious played like a cheap violin into the end result.

If Luke is more powerful than the guy who manipulated the dark side of the Force to such a degree as to hide his presence in plain sight of the Jedi and to completely screw with their ability to perceive his greater scheme; who took down three Jedi in seconds with Force-imbued lightsaber strikes to fast to see; who has throw out Force Lightning so powerful he knocked Yoda unconcious; who was able to Force Choke Count Dooku from star systems away; then Seven Knights of Ren really don't have a chance. Sidious only died because he became consumed in the dark side to the point where he became even more consumed in his arrogance, a characteristic that doesn't define Luke and shouldn't define him in light of the ROTJ ending.

When we think of Luke, we need to think of him as on an accelerated but successful Anakin path (successful in terms of him not falling as well as growth with the Force). Even if we don't see him toss KOR around like wrag dolls, it should still be subtly implied that he would have at the very least no problem fending them off- if not outright shredding them. Although this example isn't reflective of the nature of his Force advantage over the KOR, I think it should be instructive of the kind of combative advantage and what the end result would be if KOR challenged Luke. It would be like General Grievous against 5-6 Jedi in the original TCW cartoon series released before ROTS. Those Jedi just weren't prepared for the kind of assault that Grievous could dish out. The KOR would learn a lesson or 7 if they took on Luke, assuming that they came out with their lives.

 

Interesting but I don't buy it. Presumably Luke grows into the most powerful Jedi ever( possibly because of the lack of users?) Before him on the light side the most powerful was Yoda, Anakin, Obiwan, Mace? If he is more powerful than them I doubt a cult of Sith wannabe can succeed in capturing him. He's in exile, I bet the KOR ran before Luke showed and had orders to do so.

 

I think that Luke may communicate to Rey via Force telepathy during the Rey, Finn and Kylo confrontation in the forest.
After this confrontation Rey knows where Luke is and she goes to meet him, taking his lightsabre.
I think that the First Order find out where Rey is going, perhaps the same way they find out that Tekka has the lightsabre/plans.
Knights of Ren are sent to destroy the last Jedi, Luke.
However it happens I do think that the final scene is a Luke and Rey vs Knights of Ren showdown.
Stunt doubles on Skellig Michael are not there for a simple "hi baby girl" dialogue ending.
This showdown is the big moment they are keeping under wraps as a delightful surprise for the audience.

 

This is how Luke is going to take down the Knights of Ren

He was on Skellig Michael. So was Chloe Bruce who is Daisy Ridley's stunt double.

 

She has weird ports (pant-shorts .) . .

 

Agreed, except I don't think Yoda lost consciousness, was just stunned real good. I would argue Palps played Anakin into the end result, if he had not been played into turning to the dark side Sidious would've lost because he underestimated Windu. I never believed Sidious cooked his own face to feign weakness. He was really losing.

 

This is much slower than The PT...Obi-Wan in The PT would have taken them down in like half that time or less.

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If Luke was at his peak like we think, he would cut them down with The Force / lightsaber if he even needed to use it, like Galek from TFU but even cooler .

 

I was going to write an elaborate answer but then I saw this....

 

So to sum up, after reading the comments of the ' I <3 Luke brigade', Luke is too powerful and nobody can get the better of him. We don't need new heroes. Luke will single handily take on and destroy Kylo, the KOR, Snoke, and the FO. The end.

 

I responded to you above. Unfortunately, I screwed the format of the post and can't fix it. Please try to make sense of it.

Anakin wasn't as experienced as Kenobi. Sidious couldn't beat him in a lightsaber contest. He played him into a corner and feigned weakness turn Anakin. He could have blasted Windu away whenever he wanted.

I want to harken back to the experience thing. It matters in Luke v. Kylo Ren.

At the very least, I think the scene with R2 we have seen and the fact we know Mark Hamill and Daisy Ridley filmed at Skelig together alone, and that this is suspected widely to be the end of the film, suggests that Luke is not capitivity.

 

TE="master_shaitan, post: 182499, member: 1724"]Again, if Luke is so powerful, why do we need Rey as the new hero?
Secondly, Luke may be extremely powerful but he's not a god. And we don't know how powerful the KOR are - in particular Kylo who may have Skywalker blood and thus be as powerful as Luke - and trained in the Dark Side.
Thirdly, Anakin in his prime couldn't defeat Kenobi. Sidious couldn't beat Mace Windu. It is not a stretch to think that 7 warriors that includes at least 1 very powerful Dark Sider couldn't defeat Luke.

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I'll ask you the same question - why do we need Rey as the new hero of the saga if we already have uber powerful Luke?
He can't just be in exile else, when he is found he would then assume the role of the hero again and whip Snoke's arse. His power must've been diminished.
Also, see my response above re: why he could be beaten by the KOR.

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Interesting re: stuntmen on Skellig. Although that could be for the training scenes.
However, it could also be Rey going to Skellig to rescue Luke...[/QUOTE]
Because the force was never meant to be harnessed exclusively by one person (perhaps the reason for the exile too much power to control)and if new Jedi are not trained then the art dies with Luke. To your point about the KOR you have one but if Kylo is the enforcer and baddest of the bad guys JJ said he was more raw and less polished than Vader who he beat not yet in his prime as a Jedi.... what are lesser less practiced dark siders to do?

 

No. There is this Snoke character to consider. He seems rather extreme. Especially if he is ancient. I hate to go back to this, but the experience thing is also something that he seems to have in his favor. And again, when it comes specifically to Luke vs. KOR, the experience thing is something that at the very least works overwhelmingly to Luke's favor on every level, but most notably in terms of exercise of Force power.

And I'm pretty sure Luke wouldn't survive a blast from the Starkiller weapon- and I am sure he would be their first target if they knew where he was, based on what we are being told about the FO's teachings. A full on assault from a Star Destroyer fleet.

Everything is shaping up to Rey and Finn's mission turing into finding Luke. There's a reason for that. It's time to fight, and they need him to train them. He also willl probably have to get involved with Snoke.

 

I watched Windu Sidious a lot do not believe he cooked his own face to turn Anakin. Windu blocked lightning with great effort with his saber. I think Sidious told him he was weak to turn his sympathies, but I think he was trying the entire time to beat Mace.

 

I said there were reports. That is not my personal feeling. Reports of him meditating with objects flying around uncontrollably and having no control over his power at exercise were out there.

Him being in exile and Force drained by Snoke is too far for Abrams.

I don't think we will see Luke toss aroud KOR at will because I don't think we will see him fight them in this movie. I think what is more likely is a more character-driven development involving the deaths of all of his Padawans- which I honestly believe is right before Luke is with R2 in the scene we have gotten in multiple trailers. Some possibilities:

* He is stunned by the deaths of his Padawans
* He feels a sense of failure to have prevented their deaths and is overcome with grief
* He reaches the conclusion that the galaxy is better off with him away

I think what could kick the wheels in motion for TFA is that Luke is starting to make contact again through MVS's character. We know that his character contacted the Resistance, and that the FO intercepted the communication. There is a childrens book apparently showing MVS giving a message to Poe and BB-8. Who else would this mysterious message be from that is so sensitive that the Resistance had to send their best pilot and a top operative to personally retrieve?

Then there is the leaked photo of Luke. He looks in fine physical shape to me. And he is wearing the gear of a Grand Master. If Luke was caputred by KOR and is being drained by Snoke, I would think he would still be in the attire he was seen with R2, with everything being ripped and wraggly.

It sounds like you want Luke Skywalker to be essentially worthless at this point. To me, that basically cuts the heart out of Star Wars. Yes, it is a big universe. But his character represents the moral foundation of the saga. To basically turn him into a weak nothing when lore up to this point promises so much more is disrespectful to his character for no reason. You can mock that sentiment with whatever kind of snark you want, but for me at least, this is a thoroughly unsatisfying turn for him.

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He knew he had to force Anakin to make a choice. He new he had to put Anakin in a position in which he says, "Holy crap, if he dies, then I don't get to have all of that power," and that this impulsion would drive Anakin over. I think Palps could easily have fried him when Windu was on the back swing for the killer blow.

 

well didn't they say Snoke has been to hell and back figuratively speaking?

 

Good points agree mostly but Anakin intervening makes it one of those great what if scenarios. I could see it going either way but I like your argument.