SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

That's actually my greatest fear: he's the 'moral compass'. That they are going to turn this trilogy into another drumbeating hippie sermon, which is what the last three films were. I don't think he's Ghandi; he will definately be more Padme: making irrational, ideology driven discisions at critical times and learning nothing from his mistakes. Even after being forced to kow-tow to Boss Nass because her people were stupid enough to not maintain an army like the Gungans did(hell, even Jar Jar pointed out that he thought this was the reason the naboo hated his people), Padme is back in the next movie begging everyone not commit to the very actions that liberated her people. Why? Because Padme was George Lucas' 'moral compass'. That's why she's panting in emotional fervor while she's shooting in vain at Dooku: she's forced to commit an act of war to try and stop a war.
The looniness continues in Revenge of the Sith but George's friends finally stopped him and told him "No!". He remade the second act and most of those scenes wound up on disc 2.
But thats pretty much what I fear Finn will be. I mean, you could have have had a stormtrooper character modeled after Joker in Full Metal Jacket. Now that would be a great fit for the Star Wars universe, and would serve to show an inner conflict within Finn:

Unforunately, for what appears to be either pinko-hollywood ideological propaganda or just simple rushing of the plot to start this whole 'buddy cop' deal with Poe, we don't get to see any character development like this. Instead it's "Let me help the enemy because I'm a pacifist!" then "You don't pass the evil test!" and bam! In jail with Dameron.

 

@MakingStarWars You stated twice in your article that you've "read" essentially the entire movie. Exactly what did you read?

 

Joined the Dark Side Abrams has. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now...

 

When I did not see any deleted scenes of him wielding one since mustafar.

 

Hippie you say? Wars not make one great! A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack. Hippie ass Yoda...

 

Yet your Cantina name is "gunslinger19"

 

Some of your rant suggesting some sort of evil Hollywood plot is a little off-topic but mostly you were just ranting about poor Padme haha.

Anyway, I don't think Finn is a "pacifist" I don't believe those leaks I think they come from fake leakers speculating. Besides, how would someone on set actually know if Finn is a pacifist? How would you find that out?

As for why Finn probably gets arrested, going AWOL and not following orders is a serious offense and I always figured that's what Finn gets in trouble for. I am also hesitant about the Poe/Finn joint jailbreak leak for personal taste reasons, but I do admit Poe is a big giant question Mark without it. I liked the idea of Finn disobeying orders, revealing force sensitivity under duress, getting yelled at by his CO, getting chased by Kylo and that's when he steals the TIE Fighter that crashes.

 

This is the thing that sticks out to me.

This is a ballsy movie. and I love it.

I am happy that from what it sounds we are getting something completely different, but when watched with the others.. makes perfect sense.

If luke is reserved for VIII.. then so be it. I'll deal.

I think my anticipation for the movie has increased significantly. That last shot of Rey and Luke, and Luke igniting it. OH LORD I WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST SMILE ON MY FACE EVER.

and then in Episode VIII.. We get a Badass Female Jedi..

 

It's from Stephen king 's Dark Tower. Anyway, a gunslinger a Jedi is not. That'd be Han, the guy who shot first.

 

That we agree on

 

I do not aim with my hand;
He who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand;
He who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun;
He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
I kill with my heart.

Roland would hate hippie-Yoda.

 

I speculated long time ago about the fact that THE LAST TIME we see the original trio together is on Endor in ROTJ.

Every generation has its heroes (or legends)... There is no need to show Han, Leia and Luke unless it is to complete there story arc

Han has to go in a selfless way, making the ultimate sacrifice to save friends and family... something he should have done in ROTJ.

Luke has to become a GOOD Jedi master, where Obi Wan failed with Anakin. Yoda sets the table for that in ROTJ: to pass on what he has learned because of he fails, the Jedi will be extinct.

With Leia, it's a little tricky. Her story arc, after ROTJ could have been to become a Jedi herself, or a protective mother or the Leader her mother once was.

Maybe it's a mix of all 3. She's the mother of an emergent Jedi and have to cope with the After-War reconstruction.

In all cases, the story arc that was the easiest to close was Han's. That's why, I am 100% sure he dies in TFA.
Luke cannot fulfill his destiny unless he has pupils. They will "emerge" at the end of TFA if the reports and rumors are true. So, for him to be in a couple of scenes at the end of TFA makes perfect sense. He doen't need to FIGHT evil one more time... that DRAGON is Finn, Poe and/or Rey to fight.

I don't expect a lot of scenes for him in Episode VIII as well... most of the New Jedi's training will be in the opening crawl of EPISODE VIII

As for Leia.... strangely, it's the character that has the most interesting story arcs to close in the movie. Maybe a lot will be established in the crawl, implied, channeled by new characters.

If Kylo Ren is his son / Rey her daughter, lot can be exposed through them.
Han will certainly expose his Post-ROTJ Relationship with Leia.

My two cents.

 

I think I may have unintentionally plagiarized you with the Han bit haha

 

Haha, no plagiarism I think this is pure logic, extending the Solo character... "SOLO" even the name leads to that... the SOLO becomes a WHOLE.

 

All of this makes total sense.

However, it's strange that Han, Leia, the "kids", Chewy, the droids, would somehow be involved with this new conflict, yet Luke would sit it out. This movie should not be about him. Not saying he needs to be the hero. Obi-Wan was not the hero in ANH and Yoda was not the hero in ESB. But both had substantial influence on the plot of those movies. The same should be for Luke.

If Luke's post ROTJ story arc was about passing on what he has learned, then why wait 30 years before he gets a padawan? Because the Force was asleep?

That's why I believe he must have had some time to train Rey in the ways of the Force. Even if it's only implied. If Rey and Finn are to battle Kylo, who taught them how to fight/use a lightsaber? Where are they getting these lighstabers? That's right, one fell out of the sky. But don't they need two?

Am I making sense or did I miss something along the way?

 

Well, as someone who walked away from Star Wars for 10 years after Episode II, the prospect of seeing Padme repackagd into Finn is about as welcome as Jar Jar Binks. I don't mind, in fact I would like it, if he is conflicted and had what could be construed to be pacifistic leanings. Like Joker in Full Metal Jacket. Or even Nathan Algren in The Last Samurai. But we've seen how well the 'ardent pacifist' character archtype works as both a main character and a moral compass in star wars. And it was more than her claptrap dialogue that bombed with flying colors.
And if he comes out of the gate making what a moderate audience with little intrest in politics will interperet as bizzarre descisions without enough exposition to explain this behavior, well.. it's the Prequels all over again.

I for one am hoping you are right.

Otherwise, I'm walking out of the theater, going home, firing up youtube, grabbing a beer, putting the headphones on, and hitting play:

Good to have a backup..

 

Maybe we have sexy sith time?