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SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Feb 15, 2015.

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  1. rebelscum

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    Bingo. What's weird: in the MSW post, he acknowledges there's been misinformation....on twitter, MSW contributors denied that there's been any misinformation, and that this is 110% truth. I feel like they're trolling us for clicks. I think I'm done with their site (should've bailed after they went after the cantina)
     
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    That's right, be very intelligent about your intake and belief of speculation and rumors. If it sounds like bs....you're the only one that can judge that for yourself!
     
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    It's been said before many times, and some think that JJ is not concerned with us hardcore fans finding out the plot, but he is and is well versed in misdirection campaigns. My brother previously worked as an editor for DVD extras, one of his projects was Lost, produced by none other than Bad Robot. The team he was on would often have access to dailies and shooting scripts, and other production documents before an episode aired. He told me of "official" scripts with false scenes purposefully inserted for misdirection. These scripts were barcoded so if someone leaked info, they could track it down using the false info.

    The lesson here is that Bad Robot is well aware of how fans work, has already used misdirection campaigns, and we should not put too much stock in any alleged "firm" or "sure thing" reports based on concept art, and especially not production documents.
     
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    They'd might as well just show this after Rey gives Luke his lightsaber back:



    Because that's what we're all going to feel like if this is true.:mad:
     
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    Coming from being in a PR department in the NFL, they used reporters to spin stories their way, whether that was through intentional misinformation or true info. All I'm saying is I would be shocked if Disney and JJ's crew doesn't have people who are "sources" spreading some false info and some true info.
     
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    EXACTLY!
     
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    Does anyone really think JJ and Disney would "loose" or "give away" the entire script or call sheets of the most important movie of the decade so easily?
     
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    Whats funny about the whole thing is that any 'source' may believe they have an official document, because even the source may not be in the know of the whole picture. If the vader twist was so heavily guarded in the preinternet days, imagine the lengths they will go to now.
     
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    He posted it a few pages back.
     
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    He didn't mention it in his piece if that's what's your asking. He just mentioned it out of the blue in his post on here. Since when was there an opportunity for kylo to kill her but spare her? If that was the case why not mention it in your original article about Han's death. The way he described was Han sacrifices himself and Rey and the others witness it. Then just leave him behind because stormtroopers show up.

    Spot on! There's so many holes in this plotline that it's ridiculous. There's been so many details that just don't make sense.
     
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    I'm guessing he's saving it for a larger article about the dual at the end.
     
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    Maybe, my girlfriend mentioned after she was viewing wookieepedia, although I doubt Vader created it any other way, he wasn't seen with a new lightsaber at the end of TROTS.
     
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    If Luke's role is only a cameo at the end, then my reaction would be something like this:



    Which would then segue into this:



    It happened with The Avengers: Age Of Ultron not too long ago...
     
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    I don't know what's true or not, but if the Luke rumor is true, I think it's a super risky move.

    They want to make Luke be the Yoda of the ST, I get it. However, Luke is not Yoda. Luke is every SW fan's childhood hero. It doesn't matter that the new trilogy is about the new generation: every single Star Wars fan will walk into the movie theater counting the seconds to see Luke Skywalker on screen.

    And, again if rumors are true, the movie will even fuel that anticipation by making the search for Luke a core point. Showing just 15 seconds of Luke at the very last scene is super risky IMO, and doing that shortly after killing Han - I feel millions of voices will suddenly cry in terror, causing a great disturbance on the Internet.

    Not to mention this would mean Luke and Han won't get any screen time together.
     
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    The luke rumor is not true

    End of story

    Bye bye

    *whispers* see you later
     
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    I for one, don't really care how much Luke is in the film. Or anyone for that matter. If the film is good and Luke being in only one scene serves a good story, then why would we let our expectations of seeing Luke in action ruin that. Putting Luke front and center at the expense of the story to service fan expectations is exactly what many feared from Abrams after seeing ST:ID. I don't know if this is true or not. But if it is, then it clearly shows that Abrams and Kasdan are not looking to service fans and are only interested in the story they want to tell. Which in my mind would be a great sign towards the quality of the film, even if it does cost Luke some screen time.

    I don't know. Firstly, we don't know what is meant by pacifist. Is he Ghandi, being dragged around by the heroes the entire movie refusing to fight in the face of certain death or is he just the representation of the antiwar counter-culture in what daily seems to be becoming a more obvious allegory for cold war America/USSR?

    Either way my guess is that he serves a purpose. If he is a pacifist, he is there as an example. My guess is his philosophy will be used to shine a light on how far our OT heroes have fallen. If the rumors of Leia building a superweapon and Luke falling into crazy town are true, maybe they will see their own young selves in Finn and realize that escalation of violence isn't always the best course of action. That following the path of Yoda (wars not make one great) is the only thing that will restore order and peace to the galaxy.

    Or maybe each of our young heroes is meant to reflect a lost version of our OT heroes. Finn is there to show Leia her lost idealism and the way to peace. Rey is there to show Luke the path back from his insanity and Poe is there to show Han a reflection of his young and reckless self (where Han has become older and wiser, but perhaps a bit rigid).
     
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    For anyone following the final episodes of Lost....Bad Robot created some great distractions. I will say, the details of the final episode eventually made it out...but not without a lot of misinformation.
     
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    While I agree that screen time to service fans may not be in the best interest of the story, this new report from MSW goes the complete opposite direction. I seem to remember Abrams and Kasdan were re-writing the script to INCREASE screen time for our heroes. We've also heard many times that this movie would "pass the torch" to the new cast of heroes. If they simply use Luke for a cameo to set him up for a bigger role in Episode VIII, how is that passing the torch? Again, seems to be opposite of everything we've known to be true up to this point.
     
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    Not necessarily. Han is still supposedly one of the, if not the main character of the film. Leia will be there as well. Its possible they "hand off the torch" and Luke sticks around for the trilogy in a modified Yoda role. I'd actually prefer that to forcing Hamill into a contrived action hero role at his age as it could risk looking silly (see: Christopher Lee). Having Luke around the entire trilogy after Han and Leia are by the wayside (either by death or lack of importance to the story) would make me happier than having him and Han have significant focus in TFA only to be gone afterwards.
     
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    Hamill said in 2013 he didn't want to be the same exact lightsaber dueling Jedi we last saw him as.

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62268

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05...e-for-a-balance-between-cgi-and-old-school-fx
     
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