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SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Feb 15, 2015.

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    Yes, but Han and Leia being in the whole film and Luke never interacting with them doesn't feel right. Hell, they are saying Luke isn't even involved in this movie yet apparently it's his lightsaber that starts it all. The previous rumors of a search for Luke sounds better than.... Han dies, the heroes win the battle, Chewy has a new friend, and then let's go give Luke back his lightsaber.
     
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    I don't know. Sounds like good tragedy to me. Old friend on a desperate search for his long lost buddy who could just possibly save them all. But he is cut down minutes before being reunited. That's good drama.

    I don't want this movie to focus on getting us to feel good and be some sort of SW reunion special. It needs to be its own film. And I think keeping Luke out of it could actually make that drama better than watching Hamill and Ford hug it out on screen. The unresolved tension of never seeing Han reunite with Luke could be really powerful and make overcoming Han's death a greater motivation in the subsequent movies than it would be if they get to have a heart to heart before his end. It feels like it has more weight to me that way.

    Again, not saying there is no way for it to work with Hamill front and center in the last third. But I really think holding Luke back could add to to his importance and his dramatic weight and be a great setup for the next film. Its not like there won't be two more movies to get our fill of Luke.
     
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    I never expected a reunion nor do I want to see that. I have a hard time believing they couldn't find Luke during the final act where Luke helps our new heroes ala Ben Kenobi showing up to scare off the Sand People. Kylo Ren retreating because of the sight of Luke would be fine by me. Luke just looking badass and intimidating the villian would work. Now, Luke answering his front door like someone buying Girl Scout cookies, looking up and taking his Lightsaber as the Fanfare blares just isn't a proper ending.
     
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    If Luke´s lightsaber and Luke himself are the macguffin of this movie, they´ll be appearing eventually, most likely in the third act. This is abbasic rule of screenwriting. Think about Indiana Jones and their macguffins (the ark, the stones, the holy grail, or the crystal skulls). First, they´re after these elements, and when they find them, the story keeps pushing forward with these new elements in it. Lawrence Kasdan and JJ know this better than anyone and are not screwing up such a basic rule for solid screenwriting.

    Plus, they´re not missing the opportunity to reunite the old cast once again before possibly Hans dies. It´s going to make everything even more shocking. Forget Luke is just in one scene at the very end.
     
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    But its possible they don't want Luke showing up and scaring of Kylo. How would ANH play out, if at the last minute Obi-Wan flew in a Jedi fighter and blew up the death star. Perhaps the arc of Rey and Finn requires they be on their own after Han's death so they can survive the battle on their own and have their own hero moment without Papa Luke saving the day.

    There are any number of reasons it could work and many it might not. Maybe JJ just didn't think Hamill could pull it off and is leaving that problem for Johnson to figure out who knows. But I have faith that Kasdan and Abrams have a reason for whatever they end up doing. If the reason doesn't justify the end, then it will be a failure. But until we know how it serves the story and what it means for VIII and IX, I'll withhold judgment.
     
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    @Max Rebo the voice of reason. Your posts on this topic have been very thought out and well stated. I think your approach to this is spot on. I agree let's see the movie and story fully play out before jumping to emotional conclusions and judgements.
     
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28571902 July 30, 2014 (within video)

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...lig-michael-for-star-wars-filming-277021.html July 29, 2014
     
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    Maybe the voice of reason for you, but not for me. I think blind faith in JJ or Kasdan is foolish. Hordes of fans and casual movie goes alike will tear apart the decision to not include Luke in the film. I also think MSW has his facts wrong.

    With EVERY RUMOR, we could take the "let's see how it plays out" approach. But that wouldn't be fun or fuel discussion would it? Isn't that kind of the point of these forums.
     
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    That's really interesting. I remember reading this when it came out. At the time I assumed it meant that there was one minute of exterior location shooting and that the rest would be done on a sound stage. But in light of recent rumors, maybe not.

    Re-read my post. I said I have faith that JJ and Kasdan have a reason for the choice. I did not say a good or bad reason. Any screenwriter with any experience will have a reason for the way the plot moves. This movie isn't being written by some college student or first time writer. There are reasons for the choices. And until we can see those reasons, it is impossible to judge the end result.

    I don't have blind faith in JJ and Kasdan. I just know that they are professionals and that it is foolish to judge someone's work by second hand reports that may or may not be completely true.
     
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    A blockade for a cameo?
     
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    Par for the course for any location shoots for a major motion picture. The scene may be short, but they were still there for days, and still needed to keep people away.
     
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    I don't disagree with this logic at all. I disagree with the reports. I disagree with the decision, regardless of the story. You cannot tell me that Luke Skywalker somehow cannot fit into a new Star Wars movie. If that is the decision that Abrams and Kasdan made about their story, then it's an epic fail.
     
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    He was? I didn't catch that.
     
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    Eh, to each his own I suppose. Luke isn't greater than SW to me. No one character is. I want a good story in the SW universe. I don't really need any OT attachments to enjoy the film. A nice plus if they work, but I won't let things like who's in it for how log affect my enjoyment if the movie is good. I'm getting that's important to some people. But in the end it doesn't impact the quality of the film, only the experience of the SW fan and their expectations of a sequel to the OT. And I'd gladly give up any appearances by the OT characters in exchange for a good new SW movie any day. IF people decide that isn't good enough to them, more power to you.
     
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    Quoting an older post October 28, 2014 of mine.

    All right, and here is self-confirmation of what I wrote 4 months ago:

    http://www.rhyecopeman.com/
     
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    I would have been totally fine with an Episode 7 without OT characters. But given the fact that so many OT characters are confirmed in this film, it seems like a huge miss if Hamill is only given a cameo. That's all I'm saying.
     
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    @techsteveo I understand your concern and I myself am not sure what to think of the most recent MSW rumor. I love the discussion and debate is great. I just think with all the new rumors along with all the old rumors things are getting more and more muddled. I think the more we think we know , maybe the more we don't. I think we may be at a stage where we need to take a big deep breath and step back for a second and let the dust settle a little. I like @Max Rebo approach but I think you have a valid concern.
     
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    I just want to see Han and Luke have a scene together. Is that too much to ask?
     
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    C'mon he didnt grow a big beard his wife hated, been hidden in sheets to and from set (months right?) for a minute long scene. It's a trick! I'm cool with Han and Luke not sharing scenes but I bet there is more. This is Star Wars 7 guys...waiting 30 years for Luke.. JJ isn't going to intentionally disappoint us
     
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    Hmmm really good points
     
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