SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

What the what?! Flashbacks and voiceovers? Jedi Academy? What happened to the 'safe' movie that JJ was making? This all sounds likes a mess.

 

We haven't heard much about there being younger child actors or extras in this thing, have we? Kind of weird now that I think about it if there weren't any.

 

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/f...-be-up-to-before-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

In the latest post he explains the younger actors credited as Padawans might just be playing dead Padawans.

I don't know if I like the idea of a flashback. The fact that the Rose character might join hands with Rey and Finn and channel it as a vision of the past makes me not feel so uncomfortable about it but the bit about the beginning of the movie not being the present and then it jumping time to the present bothers me for sure. I realize it's a little tricky getting everyone on track with a 30 year gap but I don't want to see a bunch of timeline hopping.

Some of the info supports my suspicion that Kylo Ren was one of Luke's students who caused the destruction of Luke's new Jedi Academy. Why would Luke exile himself instead of work to take Kylo down and redeem himself? I really want to know more about Kylo Ren. I think Rey and Kylo are going to be the ST's main story focus.

He does mention that the source of information (possible call sheets) are coded in some way so while I am taking these dumps as the most legit source we might have I'm still not 100% convinced on the accuracy. I think a lot of this stuff coming out is going to get taken back and touched up with other info as time goes on.

 

In the leaked The Dark Knight Rises call sheets,

Spoiler

Talia was just called Miranda even in the sheets that dealt with her after the key reveal sequence. There was another call sheet that dealt with "Rasta" and the underground pit location. I guessed at the time way before the movie came out that it was for the Ra's al Ghul and Talia flashbacks. Never proven or disproven though those flashbacks with younger versions of the characters (Josh Pence and Joey King) did happen.

Also, not every description that leaked from TDKR made it into the film, but we knew that they were real because there were set videos of these things being filmed on youtube. Christopher Nolan said in The Fire Rises documentary he was concerned about the call sheets leaking, and so he manipulated at least one key thing about the grave on the Wayne Manor set (it said Miranda Tate instead of Bruce Wayne but they changed it in post.) Also he had Christian Bale there on the set to throw people off when Alfred was there crying.

Anyway, maybe worth bringing this back again. Could have been concept for a very early draft of the script.

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/concept-star-wars-episode-vii-muppet-babies/

http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/09/new-star-wars-episode-7-leaks-plot-rumors.html

 

Sounds like the classic revenge set up to me - Rey sees Kylo murder her family, she is spared or escapes, survives on her wits yadda yadda...

 

In the middle of the night and with some alcohol in the system any idea seems brilliant

 

That couldn't be told without flashbacks? Correct me if I'm wrong, the call to adventure in ANH was when Beru and Owen showed up charred.
I just don't buy a teenage Kylo taking out her family....

 

I think the bit about Christian Bale being on set to throw people off could be applied to what JJ might have done during the TFA shooting. During the shooting of Star Trek and from what Mark Hamill said JJ had everyone wearing big hooded jacket type cloaks. The greenham commons shooting made no attempts at concealing anyone on set. I think Adam Driver walking around in X-wing gear might prove to be this type of scenario. JJ may have taking advantage of this open air shooting situation to do some very basic but effective misinformation. What they did as far as manipulating call sheets or the script I guess we won't know until the film comes out. I think putting a lot of confidence in call sheets or even the script would be foolish. It would be easy for them to change things in post or manipulate situations in some ways just enough to change it from what we can go off of on call sheets.

 

Call to adventure was the Leia hologram, the charred Owen and Beru was the you can't go home moment

 

Correct!! Still....don't need flashbacks to create a motive for not liking Kylo.

 

I think flashback might be the wrong term here and that is what might be getting Star Wars fans up in arms, it could almost be a Force vision, think Knights of the Old Republic. It's just dressing up a flashback in Star Wars clothes but it makes sense, when we first heard flashback we all thought how that isn't Star Wars

 

And you might well be right.
Just speculating on what this report sounds like it is driving at...

 

"makes a sale to a wealthy man"

uh so this might actually be the first solid evidence I have seen for the old third order theory I was told back before I came to the cantina. This "wealthy man" could be Kylo's old master and that is how he got his hand on the saber.

 

These new scene descriptions still don't explain why stunt doubles were at the Skellig Michael shoot. You don't need stunt doubles for a bunch of dead bodies! It's becoming more and more obvious that Ward's understanding of the story is a lot more fragmented than he's letting on, and this new post seems to verify my previous suspicions that he's relying on the old "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" fallacy. He should just say, "We've so far confirmed that Luke has at least these two scenes." He shouldn't say that these are Luke's only scenes.

Also recall that a few posts ago, Ward was unable to definitively determine from his documentation whether or not Rey is Han's daughter; he had to resort to using circumstantial evidence and guesswork. This suggests to me his knowledge of the story is significantly incomplete. I'm sure Luke is going to be in the movie a lot more than Ward currently thinks.

 

This is how I feel about it too. It sounds this way to me and it's really all in how it is done. It would look like a sort of holographic vision in the middle of them standing in a circle while their hands are joined. Is that technically a flashback? They are showing past events but we are still in the present viewing them. I could definitely fell comfortable with it if it is presented in that way. Like I said I get that it's a large task trying to give us a little insight about what happened in a 30 year gap without giving us some reference so if there ever was an SW film with a visual reference to the past where it was accepted by fans this should be that SW film. I just don't want to see a corny typical cut scene style flashback.

If the Academy was destroyed and Luke left it then Skellig is Luke's new place of dwelling at the end of the film. They would be two separate locations.

 

MSW reported today that among other things, there is an exterior night scene of a fierce battle involving "the CLAN against THE SEVEN." See http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/f...-be-up-to-before-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

My question is, who is the Clan? and even more importantly, who is this Seven?

Is the Clan, a Jedi Academy?

Did they destroy a Jedi Academy? How can simple mercs or pirates take down a Jedi Academy? Or are they much more powerful, and are Force sensitive dark siders? Did Kylo Ren betray the Jedi and join this dark sider cult, and climb to the ranks as the leader?

 

One thing that helped with The Dark Knight Rises call sheet description leaks was the scene numbers... which we aren't given here. Helped me keep everything in numerical order.

 

My point is that previous evidence suggests there's a scene with Luke which required the use of stunt doubles to shoot. Neither of the two scenes involving Luke described by Ward would need stunt doubles. Therefore, there must be another scene we don't know about yet.