SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

Okay, having woke up and read this interesting set of revelations, events leading up to TFA now seem much clearer. Perhaps Finn is not the raving pacifist that the early reports made him out to be. Maybe he actually is more like Joker from FMJ. We'll see.
Very disappointed if this is the route they went with Luke Skywalker.

I for one believe this technical flaw within Star Wars, the lack of flashbacks, was a great hinderance to the Prequels. If you look at TPM it hangs out there like a satellite in relation to AotC & RotS. I also believe that most of the relevant TPM scenes could have been shown as flashbacks. As most of the 'good' prequel, RotS, wound up on the cutting room floor for time reasons, its easy to see that freeing up an extra film would have vastly improved the trilogy.
So I think it's a great 'learning from mistakes' concept to put TFA's backstory into a flashback form. It also saves us on time. This is a huge plot and when considering the mandatory action sequences screen time is going to be squeezed.

I was thinking that Obi-Wan did not utilize such a route for two reasons.
First, the production reason of the they probably had no money left to make all the sets, cast the actors, etc. for a flashback. It was storytelling on a budget.
Second, the story reason of Obi-Wan desiring to conceal the truth about Luke's past.
So, perhaps Rose is not interested in concealing information as Obi-Wan did. Rey fleeing this scene would suggest a naked truth to what is being told.

 

hmm good point re the concealing of information.

 

He mentions the possibility of this type of thing happening at the beginning of TFA in the article.

 

Yeah, but most of the times, a Flashback is not a matter of budget, but a matter of filming style. JJ is more from Spielberg school, where they develop the story through elements, objects and character interactions. In Indiana Jones this happens multiple times (and if he goes back in time, is not like a proper flashback, but with a whole scene, like the intro for Last Crusade). JJ takes a lot from here. He uses the same ways in Star Treck. Super 8 is his more "Spielberg" movie, and it uses the same approaches to tell the story. I would think he´d use more this type of storytelling for Star Wars, since is has always been very connected to the way Spielberg tells a story. Same goes to Lawrence Kasdam; he´s more of telling the story through the actions and the relationships, not stopping the picture and going back to recap the story.

Still they could use flashbacks. I´m just saying it´s not really their usual style of storytelling.

 

Ah, I haven't read it yet. I really hope "flashbacks" of any kind are not present unless it is via hologram recording.

 

Indie Revolver did tweet out back in December that there was concept art of a Jedi vs Sith battle involving a lot of people on both sides.

 

There's actually a lot this morning that I am scratching my head about regarding Lawrence Kasdan. It doesn't seem like he held any weight whatsover over the story descisions, even after Arndt was told to take a walk. Here I was making hay this weekend over Finn's pacifism being a contrived plot convenience to usher us into this buddy cop film.. Now I'm seeing that there is no real originality in the backstory either. Kylo Ren is Darth Vader Jr. and kills all the Jedi. OMG the 'Prequels' have just become the backstory for the TFA.
And furthermore IMHO killing off all the Jedi is a compete and total cop-out! It's telling me that they are just as incapable as George Lucas was of making an interesting and unique approach to the Jedi. That they can't make a good Jedi character unless they remove the character from the Jedi completely and throw them in a sandbox!

 

"Rose's Pub" sounds very english, I thought "Cantina" would be the correct word.

Anyhow, interesting read.

See what was filmed on this set I speak of was basically everyones arrivals, some banter, Han arrives "Rose" confronts him then they all run outside (Well Han and Chewie at least) and react to something big being destroyed in the sky. There was a massive green screen on the side of one of the units at pinewood for this final shot.

So basically, there is possibly this whole flashback underground chamber scene in between, nice.

I am guessing now that when the Extras were told to react to something big or a "moon" being blown up in the sky was basically a cover up for Kylo and the Troopers to be added, hence they wanted that "oh blast" face reaction xD

 

I kind of get what you are saying but I don't think we know enough yet to make assumptions about what they are doing with the Jedi in TFA or the ST as a whole. This stuff about "The 7" and the Clan an such may play into the Jedi in a way we can't quite see yet.

 

I would reserve judgment until we see the final product. Its as much about the presentation as it is the story.

 

The whole thing about our characters holding hands and having "flashbacks" sounds exactly like spock and kirks mind meld in the JJ's first star trek movie. Which basically just served as a way to bring kirk up to speed on where spock has been and what happened to him.

Sound familiar? Not saying this is what's happening in TFA but it sounds pretty darn similar.

 

Also I find it very interesting how the story continues to change. Jason Ward continually asserts these rumors are likely accurate, yet each new one seems to alter or contradict many of his earlier reports.

Not saying he or his "sources" are FOS bit it does put his info into question the more this happens.

My impression as a casual spoiler follower is that he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.

 

I actually don't mind this form of flashback. Seems to make Lupitas character unique.

I still would have preferred force nightmares tormenting Luke. As once reported by MSW.

Or even Leia and or Rey.


The key to making this all work is Kylo.

The prequels failed miserably at telling a truly tragic tale of betrayal and downfall. I'm all for doing it right this time, but he shouldn't just be Vader 2.0.

I hope the 7 or whatever is a sith cult it something- that would be cool and original.

**also, I really don't see how someone can read documents like these and be confident they know the story. What am I missing?

Seems like there is room for misinterpretation, not unlike concept art.

 

So is Lupita sharing a "flashback" with the others via "Force" vision or something?

 

that's what it looks like

 

Perhaps the "source" got some "inspiration" from that scene. (Btw, I'm not saying it's Jason's fault at all- far from it. He simply reports what he hears, even if he's on the receiving end of blatant BS. I'm just critical of this rumor; like the Luke one, it seems far fetched and brings up more questions than it answers.)
So yeah, I don't think TFA is going to take this route, and I think this "spoiler" is disinformation with grains of truth mixed in.

 

So Lupita is a puppet.
And wanting a weapon isn't the Jedi way...unless it's Luke Skywalker playing with his dad's lightsaber in Ben's hut....
And what about the opening crawl which is typically used to describe the current situation... if the movie opens with the flashback, will the crawl describe that first?
And how does the clan defeat the seven with just a lightsaber? I mean...is there something special about a lightsaber?

Lots of of questions. Murky the future is.

This is starting to sound more and more like the Gods Must be Crazy in Space.

 

The Clan will probably be the pirates we have heard about.

 

1- @King3000 has an explanation on the Lupita thing

2- I think the reason Rey reacts the way she does isn't because of "not wanting a weapon" it's because of revealing her past to her

3- This appears to take place far later in the film, it isn't opening with a flashback

4- I actually got the idea the clan lost, considering it mentions the seven looting afterwards

 

• I think it implies that the Clan is defeated by the Seven...
  • Flashback: Exterior Night Battlefield – Fierce battle! Sword is being use by the CLAN against THE SEVEN.
  • Flashback: Exterior Night: the last man is down and Kylo Renn approaches Rey!
  • Flashback: THE SEVEN are looting and we see Rose in the foreground taking “the object.”