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SPECULATION Mara Jade Skywalker and Knights of Ren theory

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Apr 22, 2018.

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  1. McDiarmid

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    Knights of Ren were formed by Emperor Palpatine.Their leader was Mara Jade.

    After Empire's end,she met Luke,since they were both searching for lost knowledge about the Force.

    They traveled together across the galaxy,and become lovers.

    They decided to train new grey Jedi,since the Force is one Tide, there is no true Light and Dark side which both Mara and Luke learned.

    Mara invited former Knights of Ren to join academy, just as Luke invited other adepts that he found on his travels ,including his nephew.

    Snoke decided to destroy this treason an treat ,using Kylo Ren and Knights secretly waiting to turn.

    After Kylo mutinied with Knights he thought he killed Luke.

    Mara was not at the temple,however Kylo and Knights found her at other location,and slaughtered village where she and her child were taking refuge.

    Luke catched them ,and killed all Knights in his rage in revenge.

    Luke thought all died.

    Luke thought all died and gone crazy, diconnecetd from the Force, lost all feelings, and exiled.

    Traumatised child was taken by some scavangers who sold her for drinking money on Jakku

    Mara survived and recovered slowly.

    Mara never found Luke again.She also thought their child died.

    Rey will find Mara ,her mother in EP IX.

    This explains why is Rey even more powerful than Luke and Ben Solo because both her parents were Force sensitive..

    What say you?

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    i'm guessing "Mara" is Ahsoka.

    and i still think the Knights of Ren are dead, but now that Snoke is toast, perhaps the Benperor will enlist new ones! : D
     
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    Yes ,the theory predicts Luke himself killed KOR in his rage after he catched them..after mutiny they chased Mara and the child...that scene from Rey's vision in TFA...
     
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    Let the blind speculation begin that ultimately makes the film terrible by not coming true.
     
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    We can give one big thanks to J.J. Abrams who is casting woman ,leading ,character for the episode IX under randomly chosen working name MARA,

    Of course the guilt for dissapointment will be again on poor brainless fans, us,because Disney/LSL congreagation for Sainthood randomly chosed MARA working name, by accident, since they had just 100 000 other possible women names to chose on Earth, and their intention is not nearly to troll, and stir the pot amongst the agressive-obsessive fans.

    ..which will be accused, when and if time comes, of course, for making theories unprovoked and thus found themselves dissapointed with the film.
     
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    Please no! Everything but that.

    But seriously now, why do we need another leading role? We already have enough characters!

    The force isn't inheritable.

    I dislike it alot. Introducing such a important factor so late in the last episode? No, that's bad writing.
     
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    i couldn't agree more. : o p
     
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    Rey random can't be so much more powerful than thousands of other random Force weilders,thousands of random born Jedi from Lucas films,like Obi-Wan and even Yoda. In fact Rey is more powerful than even chosen one Anakin at her age.
    Rey's powers are illogical,and canon - destructive blasphemy unless she is trully extraordinary by her genes,child of 2 Force sensitive parents.

    How can't you see this people?How can't you get over it?What random moribund ideas we must swallow? You have thousands of random Jedi before in Lucas films as an example...compare it to Rey.
     
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    I wouldn't be opposed to that. I mean, it's not like they have to a write a whole new backstory for a character. It's already written. That being said, wouldn't Ahoska be old by the time 9 begins? Assuming she's still alive.
     
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    i don't know how long her species lives.
    she would be old, but not necessarily geriatric.
     
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    Why are they introducing new lead character if story arcs of Rey and Kylo,and Poe and Finn and Hux,Rose ,are written so good ?
    Why those characters can't carry the episode IX all by themselves?

    Because something is missing.
     
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    yes Leia is missing. The lord creator took Carrie from us too soon. I see nothing new here. Am not saying they're recasting Leia either.
     
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    I mean, look at Holdo and Rose. New characters introduced in 8, but not seen in 7. It's not who you think it is.
     
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    I acknowledge my serrious problem of writing properly my thoughts in English, but you are reasoning in a way of my original post idea.
    Our dear Carry Fisher is lost.
    Leia certainly would have extremly important role in episode IX.
    She is the missing element in the original scenario.

    It is a strong logic to presume that MARA, which is described as "leading role" is a compensation for the lost of Leia in the story arc.

    Leia's role in ep. IX would be ,we can presume with high degree of certainty, this: role of substituted motherhood, and a menthorship to Rey, and a contributing factor in bringing Kylo/Ben to redemption.

    By this we can intellectually position this MARA character as very if not critically important for the story development linked with Rey, with the atributes I just described.
     
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    In situations like this I find it difficult to make a conclusion. We have no solid rumours, nothing factual. This article maybe a legitimate it could also be made up for clicks. I have no problem with another older female thrown into the mix. However until we know for certain like if the casting is true, what she looks like, who the actress is, it would be foolish to adapt rumours into stories. I am not one for saying 'its not possible' either. Star Wars is make believe. Anything can be created but we are not the author either. Lets see what tidbits come our way before we presume. You may well be right but at the same miles off.
     
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    It happens I followed before the original source and they were to my knowledge always precise, they follow professionally castings for those films.
    We can take in my opinion for secure that J.J. Abrams is casting actresses for a female character of age 40-50 by the working name "MARA",and description is:leading role.
    Same source previously reported of a leading female role casting for Kira , which became Rey, and for instance they reported the casting name for Rose Tico was Aya, which was all later confirmed .

    EDIT--it would be more than interesting to find out what properties of actrasses(physical appearance) is J.J. Abrams searching for.

    For instance for Kira(Rey) he searhed , more than obviously to me, for a brunettes with properties like all women from Skywalker Dynasty ( Leia, Padme).
     
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    Well that's great but we still know nothing except there looking for an older female. Anything else like is the character human? What is her ethnicity? Her specific role? All that we do not know. There are limited facts at hand here to be applying to story. Perhaps we should be asking more questions. Is she a senator? Is she a rebel? Is she first order? Is she connected to Maz? Is she a bounty hunter? A princess? A slave? The spectrum is massive.
     
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    I forgot Maz, the have even Maz to patch some story holes.....
    and Chewy, and droids,...not enough... they need to patch serrious plot hole with this character, so I presume it is not a senator..Havent heard of any since episode VII, not that they needed them anyway in ep VIII though.

    Its some " Mara ".
     
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    I am going to admit I never liked Mara Jade and indeed I was not that sad when the original EU got trashed by Disney, I felt there was a lot of clutter and convoluted lore that needed a CTRL-ALT-DELETE. An opinion so volatile, I became isolated by the SW:TOR community when I expressed it (KOTOR fans can be very dogmatic about the original EU).

    Also the Knights of Ren...it's just one throwaway line by Snoke in TFA, never mentioned again in TLJ and I hesitate to wonder why fans continue to insist it's a vital part of the ST lore. I always thought the name was kinda dumb and it immediately brings up a Monty Pythonesque quality when I hear it. All that's needed is a shrubbery.

    It disappoints me that Phasma is not discussed more. Here we have a great character and a really superb canon novel about her as well. Yet she somehow always gets relegated to short scenes and she's far more dysfunctional and stupid in the films compared to the novel, where she is both shrewd and powerful. In general, I am not sure Star Wars knows what to do with powerful women in their franchise. Even Carrie Fisher has complained and commented on this.

    It's why I'm not at all excited about Mara Jade. She takes away the asexual quality of Luke Skywalker, which I feel is a vital part of his myth and strength as a character.

    That said, it's far too early to raise any real concerns, except to say all the early speculation and theories that rise about a new film are almost always wrong. Remember how Episode VIII was going to be all about backfilling Snoke's story and discovering his links to Plagueis and the Sith? Well now that largely useless character is dead (good riddance) and Snoke's only real role was to stage a progression for Kylo Ren.

    Speaking of which, why is there very little love for how Kylo Ren developed in Episode VIII? I think he's a very unique character with Adam Driver doing a superb job with the role. Again, it seems if a male character isn't flawless and dominant, it receives criticism. Even the criticism of Luke in Episode VIII seems to center around the idea he's supposed to be a swashbuckling alpha male that solves all problems with violence. That to me, is why I love TLJ. It found a way to render Luke, while still maintaining his disdain for direct violence and his general understanding that the Force is a very dangerous thing, because it can just as easily corrupt as much as it can enlighten.

    Wooden nickel opinion only, great thread.
     
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    I am sure many fans would dissagree with you. Mara Jade Skywalker was one of most beloved EU characters , and it was not just because she has given new meaning and purpose to life of Luke Skywalker.
    She was passionate.
    When you see Rey in episode VII beating thugs with staff, and than attacking Finn, and defying Snoke and fight against Pretorian Guards...such was Mara Jade...not that this implies connection, but Mara was also such in the novels.

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    Knights of Ren are in the film, like filmed, and will stay there forever, on the film in ep VII and mentioned by Snoke, Kylo was master of Knights of Ren.
    So 40 years from now people will still ask...what was that about ?
    So this is just a question is it massive plot hole or not.Because if they never re-appear or be explained its a massive plot hole.
    So my idea (OP) was to pack it all in one nice theory and solve it all.

    [​IMG]
     
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