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SPOILER More older rumors that are being proven true.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by techsteveo, May 9, 2015.

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    Looking back at some previous MSW rumors and reading Reddit, I noticed this set of rumors from back in February are turning out to be true. Since this source and people like King3000 are finally getting their rumors proven to be correct, it opens up more questions while it answers others. Exciting times. Here is the article with me highlighting some intriguing stuff...

    From Making Star Wars: Feb 3rd 2015
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS MAIN CAST RUMORS GALORE!


    I was contacted by a person wishing to remain “safely anonymous.” This person dropped a lot of Star Wars: The Force Awakens stuff on our lap this afternoon. I haven’t verified this person’s information but some has merit as far I know. This source also described a photo I saw recently perfectly and they didn’t know it. So I’m sharing and you can take it or leave it. I’m not adamant this information is correct or to the extent it is. I am simply sharing the rumor because the information is entertaining. That is not to say it might not all be very valid.

    This will be my second “food for thought” rumor post this week. Its not really my style. But I find this report fun and some of this stuff isn’t out there in the public sphere of information. So they’re either in possession of accurate information on the film or they are the world’s luckiest guessers.

    The implication is that basically
    Rey and Luke go into hiding at exactly the same time for the same reason. She is the daughter of Han and Leia and she’s tasked with protecting a lightsaber that can open a proverbial Pandora’s Box of evil. Artifacts being sought after by Kylo Ren are collected because they’re trying to figure out which artifact will open the tomb. Luke Skywalker is guarding the tomb and being tormented by evil spirits that appears half crazed from the duty he’s been on.

    Domhnall Gleeson was a rebel for many years and he’s the son of “a huge character.” But he defected to the Empire when he learned that the Rebels had constructed a super weapon in secret. With less than honorable people in the Rebel Alliance now, Gleeson’s character is tasked with hunting Finn while also on a secret mission to destroy both super weapons of the Empire and the Rebels.

    Gwendoline Christie is his lead shock trooper. She’s a chrome trooper with black and red cape that is hunting Finn. She uses a lightsaber, is arrogant, demeaning, and kills indiscriminately. Her face is heavily scarred and she has a military haircut.
    Yes, the ability to cloak herself did come up and it supposedly is used twice in the movie.

    Here is some elaboration:

    • Luke is in hiding during much of The Force Awakens. He has put himself in a self imposed exile and is protecting an ancient Sith tomb from being opened by the main bad guy, Kylo Ren.
    He goes on to say that inside that tomb is the body of an ancient evil being. Luke Skywalker doesn’t know how to open this tomb buy Kylo does. Luke’s stay in this place has had him tormented by evil spirits of the past.

    • It is true that a simple lightsaber leads the trio to Han but what isn’t mentioned is that Han is extremely reluctant to allow his daughter to be part of this plan.
    This source believes Rey is Han Solo’s daughter. Over the course of the film we learn she is in love with Poe and Han Solo does not approve.

    • There is a scene which shows Finn trying to shoot a blaster and he is awful – it’s a little in-joke about how inept Stormtroopers were in the Original Trilogy.
    They say that Finn’s family was murdered by The Empire and he was forced into recruitment along with his best friend. His best friend is killed in the opening sequence of the film in front of Finn. This role is rumored to be played by Pip Andersen. It is shortly after this scene that he meets his likely next best friend for life, Poe.

    • Finn and Poe end up in an imperial brig after being caught.
    Finn instantly dislikes Poe. But being in the brig they concoct a plan to steal a TIE Fighter. Meanwhile Rey fast-talks a guard and steals his keycard to break them out.

    • Finn and company steal an advanced TIE and unfortunately it crashes, injuring Finn.
    This bit is confusing to me and doesn’t necessarily line up with how I thought things unfolded. None the less, Finn being injured in a TIE crash does line up with how he ends up in the Wagon Speeder, and the source does mention that stuff too.

    • There is a scene in the bar where Finn uses a lightsaber to deflect laser blasts at him and Rey says she thinks Finn has found his calling.
    They also note that Finn is a total pacifist. He doesn’t fight those that killed his family but this is the pathway to Finn being able to defend the people he loves.

    • Max von Sydow: A former Rebel Alliance veteran now dealing in antiquities – very much like a SW version of Brody from Indiana Jones. It turns out that Rey has a lightsaber which holds information vital to the rebellion and this is hidden inside BB-8.
    The old guy reveals to Rey that the crystal in the lightsaber they are holding has the ability to open the tomb Luke is guarding. If accurate, this could explain why the lightsaber is so important and why our heroes only have one while on the sand planet in the depictions I’ve seen.

    • Rey’s last name: Her real name is revealed through Han Solo much to the surprise of Finn and Poe.
    I’m not exactly sure why Finn would be surprised she’s a Solo unless Solo is famous or something. They say she is reluctant to become a Jedi. Rey was put into hiding with the lightsaber crystal and forced to used a fake fake name to hide her association to her father and especially to Luke Skywalker. She is also angered to find out that her friend played by Max von Sydow was in on the ruse and was her watcher for all this time.

    This is exciting since many of these rumors have been proven and many are still pending. If the others turn out to be true, we have some interesting points to debate.

    QUESTIONS:

    Who is MVS playing if he's an Old Rebel?
    So MVS is asked to watch over Rey unbeknownst to her?
    Rey is in love with Poe?
    Captain Phasma can cloak?
    Gleeson is the son of a huge character?
    Rey and Luke disappear at the same time? They are working together it seems?
    Is the lightsaber hers? Why do they give it to Leia? Why does Rose have it? Why does Finn deflect laser blasts with no training?
    Does Kylo Ren just need ANY real lightsaber crystal? Is that why his saber is "homemade" without a really crystal?
    When Kylo finds out where Luke is, does Kylo just plan on taking his lightsaber to open the tomb?
    Does the tomb get opened?
    Luke is in hiding for MUCH of the movie? Does that mean he has a larger role than rumored at the end?
     
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    If you believe.....................
     
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    The answers will be revealed, patience.
     
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    I am seriously not trying to be difficult, but could you please explain which of these rumors have been proven true and where? I know I'm slow, but I didn't quite catch which of MSW's above Februar rumors "are turning out to be true", and which "are still pending". Thanks for the help!
     
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    I thought these had been proven false.....
     
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    Phasma has not been seen with a lightsaber, that part was obviously taken from the concept art that we have all seen. With that I can feel safe in saying the rest of the stuff that was sent to Jason was pure speculation.

    Take an important lesson from King. He told us exactly what he knew and it's pretty easy to figure out how he got it. No one is going to turn up and magically know everything about the movie unless they are someone like Kasdan or Abrams.
     
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    Well a lightsaber is not as clumsy as a blaster I would like to see her wield one.
     
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    There's a lot of internal inconsistency in that block of info:

    1) First it says Rey went into hiding and was tasked with protecting the lightsaber, but then later it says that MVS informs her about the importance of the saber and she's mad about it.

    2) It says Rey has the saber, but then says it's hidden in BB-8

    3) it says the saber is important because it can open the tomb, but then says the saber is important because it has info that's important to the rebellion.

    4) it says the saber leads them to Han, but first it says Rey's had the saber all along, so why would it all of a sudden cause them to need to find Han?
     
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    In February we had no confirmation of GC playing a Chrome Trooper. We have that now.
    We had no confirmation of Poe and Finn stealing a Tie. We have that now.
    We had no confirmation of a crashed Tie Fighter. We have that now.

    If someone knew these things in detail, then why couldn't they know the other things? Sure, there may be a few details messed up, but the overall idea is that this person was correct about some things and that COULD mean they are correct about the others.

    Also, i'm sure @Bluestreaking is still clinging to the idea that Kylo and Rey are not Solo's.
     
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    Again, sorry for being slow, but where and when were these confirmed?
     
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    Those rumors have been all around since the first teaser and the concept art leak, so some "leakers" just speculated in the right direction, that doesn´t make them credible.
     
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    Have you seen the Vanity Fair articles or Teaser 2? You're going to have to do your own homework.
     
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    The crystal in the lightsaber plot point was debunked by MSW
     
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    While we don't personally see the theft of said TIE fighter it's more than reasonable to conclude at this point that the rumors of Finn and Poe stealing a TIE to escape the First Order early in the film are true.

    Both trailers have confirmed scenes that are part of that sequence, the second even showed us a TIE fighter firing at stormtroopers in what is safe to assume is a Star Destroyer hangar bay.

    But this has nothing to do with what's being discussed in this thread. Nothing of these rumors have been confirmed and they're far less than consistent to say the least.
     
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    Great post! Very exciting stuff indeed.

    Does anyone else think that Max is playing General Madine? He's about the only rebel character from the OT that would fit age wise, and ranking wise. He would also have been in close contact with Solo pre-and post Endor.
     
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    Um... that's why I asked, because I want to read up on your source for these. I'll reread the VF articles. As for the second trailer, neither was Finn & Poe stealing a TIE fighter confirmed, nor did we see a crashing TIE. We did see a TIE fighter seemingly opening fire on stormtrooper in a bay of some sort though. But yeah, I will re-read the VF articles. Thanks.
     
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    Good point. I wouldn't call it anything near a confirmation, but it certainly strengthens the theory.
     
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    I've seen both and there has been very little of the narrative confirmed - if any at all.
     
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    This isn't someone's theory cobbled together from nothing. This is what multiple sources have claimed was going to occur in the film and those claims were made and specific details (clearly a Rogue TIE firing into a hangar bay, Finn breathing heavily and taking his blood covered helmet off, etc) directly confirmed later on, there's really no point in splitting hairs much on this one.

    I'm sure the details are going to be a bit different but the basic plot and structure are not much of a mystery at this point. There's more than enough in the trailer to validate a lot of info floating out there.

    But again not anything in the OP.
     
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    Oh, I absolutely agree that there are growing evidence supporting certain rumors/speculations, and from what little I have seen, I tend to believe now that some of MSW's stuff might skirt the truth (which I admit I certainly did not believe prior to second trailer). What confused me however, was the "turns out to be true" and the "confirmations", which seems to indicate that they are no longer speculations, but have become actually confirmed somehow. I haven't seen this confirmation (and I'm still looking as we speak), but I would sure be interested in seeing them! If "turns out to be true" and "confirmations" really means, "seems to be likely" and "supports the theory", then all cool, I'm onboard.
     
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