SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 4 Discussion

Now, that's funny.

 

I've seen this quite a bit. There are two movies worth of back story on Anakin/Obi-Wan. What's left to explore there? Anakin became Vader. Obi-Wan is mourning that loss and his loss of hope. This really isn't a story about their relationship. It's squarely about Obi-Wan's path back to the light.

Cal Kestis was able to get in and get out. She was just covering her bases.

 

Things like "Kenobi is all that matters" and "he's coming Master" along with the inter-cutting of their separate bacta baths make that statement very difficult for me to believe.


There is alot to unpack with this show, for sure.

 

Kenobi walking through the entire base with Leia under his cloak was… a stretch for me. Sure Reva let them go but did she tell literally everyone on the base except for Vader and the other Inquisitors?

otherwise I did enjoy the episode.

I am starting to realize that the writers of these new D+ series have kind of an impossible job.

A viewer like me who has seen every movie and all the animated series multiple times probably wants more time and focus exploring Obi Wans relationship with the force and how he learns how to commune with Qui Gon and preserve his consciousness in the living force.

This would probably create some combination of confusion and boredom for a casual fan who maybe just saw the movies and The Mandalorian. They’re looking for a more standard action/sci fi show.

The last couple episodes have been more focused on the latter. I hope the last couple give me more of the former. If it doesn’t I’ll be a tad disappointed but I’ll understand… there’s probably more of the casual fans than us.

 

This was a live-action version of a Rebels episode.

Break into an Imperial stronghold to rescue someone.
Shoot stormtroopers.
Escape from an Inquisitor on the way out.
Ship dives in at last moment on an elevated landing pad to pick up our heroes in the knick of time.

And @Deac421 is right: disguising OB1 as a homeless imperial officer with a meth problem and having Leia hide under his coat was flat out ridiculous. Or lazy writing ... this series has suffered from that at times.

 

I enjoyed Part IV. Some interesting surprises like tomb, but I believe they missed opportunities to make it even better.

The ANH references were good. Leia being interrogated/tortured by a Dark Force user, Kenobi distracting stormtroopers using the Force to generate a distance sound, an escape that came with tracking device. No wonder why Leia is the only one in the Falcon who realizes that. She learned her lesson here.

The tomb was a nice touch. I wish they could have shown a more prominent "traitor", like former Jedi Council member, or politician like Valorum or even Jar Jar.

Leia's moments were great. The staring contest line made us all laugh at my house. Her acting skills during the interrogation and torture were spot on. Hiding under Kenobi's cloak was hilarious. They should make a new action figure: 4-legged Kenobi.

The base had not 1, not 2, but 3 inquisitors. How come we didn't have at least one light-saber duel? I think it was about time the inquisitors have their first live-action duel against a Jedi, especially for the audience who hasn't seen SW Rebels yet.

Looking forward to Part V. Really hope we get the inquisitor light-saber duels we were all waiting for. And a final confrontation with Vader in Part VI.

 

I'm really enjoying REVA, looking forward to the Acolyte Star Wars series even more so now, Reva for me, is the prelude. Reva is my Kylo Ren ( I really disliked Kylo Ren, enjoying Reva) Thanks LFL and KK

I have a need to rewatch Star Wars Rebels, until episode 5 of Kenobi arrives next week... two more episodes left... this is really a limited series, its almost over, and I waited so long for it... Andor in roughly 80 days.... this is a great year for Star Wars fans... at least for me. KENOBIIIII

 

Two things, re Reva's contingencies.

1) She's a Force User, and their plans are always insane...
#LukeRescuingHanFromJabba
#EveryOneOfAnakinsCloneWarsPlans
#VaderPuttingTrackerOnTheFalconInCaseTheHeroesManageToRescueLeiaFromTheFrigginDeathStar

2) It might be worth holding of on judgement until the show is over. There are developments yet to come and if makingstarwars.net are right, and they have been 100% correct thus far, perspectives will change once its all over. (I won't discuss the spoilers here, though. They are easy enough to dig up for those who wants to get spoiled).

 

What i wanted most from this series was the opportunity to go on a live action adventure with a fully trained jedi something we haven't had since 2005 and we got glimpses of this in this episode If in a dialled down TV sort of way. Its a really minor thing and I doubt anyone else will care but in films, they have the time to choreograph a jedi's, movements so that the lightsabers are in a specific location to block blaster shots, here it felt a bit like they just got Ewan to swing a lightsaber and added in the blaster shots and points that it kind of fitted, maybe that's just my imagination but for me I felt like that those elements lacked the time care and budget you get with a film compared to TV. But happy to admit that this may be just because I like the way films tell stories so much more than TV.

I was disappointing the plot was based on a second rescue mission for Leia in a 6 episode series, I think they could have come up with something different. But it was cool to have an adventure on Fortress Inquisitorius in live action. I was fun to be on that base I really felt like I was in the Star Wars Galaxy. The tunnel scene was kind of a cool call back to fallen order (some may say copy, but I enjoyed it). I also really liked the Jedi tomb bit, great touch! The whole Kenobi walking through a hanger of stormtroopers with just a coat over Leia felt more than a bit daft, they definitely could have spent a bit more time on that element of the script and staging.

Overall fun episode, maybe felt a bit rushed production-wise, but if these are the continued steps to getting Kenobi back as a full Jedi for the final showdown then it's fine. But I am wishing more and more each episode that this had been a film, buts that's just personal taste I guess.

 

Clearly we are talking about their relationship when they weren't enemies. If after two full length movies and several series of TCW we still need flashbacks to that relationship then that is a harsh indictment of those movies and the TV show.

 

If you are a good writer, nothing is impossible.
I bet Lawrence Kasdan (to give just one example) would have done a great job with this characters.

It never crossed my mind she let them go. Not even for a sec. Don't know if it was her acting or the scene itself. All was done very poorly. Not believable at all.
She failed. Telling she let them go was his last chance in front of Vader. Easy resource for the writer he didn't know what to tell after a second rescue.

 

Folk really are trying super hard to cite "acting" as the cause of all their anxiety and frustration when trying to micromanage where this show is going and where it's coming from.

The LOLA tracking twist caught me by surprise. I wasn't expecting Leia to be allowed to keep LOLA while in the torture chamber for a start. But if you had planned it, or had it as a plan B, then of course you would give her back her toy, now a trojan horse. How anybody can turn their resentment at not being ahead of that curve into wondering if the reason they were caught out was because the acting wasn't good enough is beyond me except that it seems to be a popular pastime for some.

Did Prowse/Vader's acting in ANH sufficiently telegraph that he intended to the let the Millennium Falcon escape? (This is a point that I didn't even fully accept and understand for YEARS after I first saw the movie. As far as I was concerned the rebels, minus Ben who had his own exit point, had thwarted Vader and that's that.

 

In fairness, if you are working on one of the most extensive TV series of all time for one of the biggest franchises featuring some of its most famous characters that mean so much to so many people, and working for a company the size and resources of Disney, you should be one of the best writers of scripts in the world. When you come up with things like they walk through the base with a coat thrown over them an amount of criticism is more than fair, especially when were talking about the second episode in a row where an escape seemed a bit ill-thought out. But that's the same in any line of work, If my work wasn't good enough (And there have been times it hasn't been) my clients have a right to say something.

 

They should have written an escape plan that had better chances of working. And then have Reva somehow foil that so people can complain about her acting not giving the audience a clue that she was that proficient (like last week when they complained about her finding the safe house).

I simply don't get the concern about "believing" Reva here. If you are talking about her possible ulterior motives, then great. But it's almost as if people are worrying about whether we as an audience are letting Reva pull the wool over our eyes and fooling us into accepting her character's prowess (and the actor's ability to achieve this, yawn)

 

Well, what's the alternative? It's not like they make kid officer disguises... Solid Snake her? They we're about to get caught towards the end there, but got saved.

 

Them sneaking Leia out via trenchcoat had a very “act casual and just keep walking” feel to me. Act like you belong, and those around you will likely be too focused on their own things to notice.

 

Those are not two distinct entities. He has to come to terms with his relationship with Anankin in order to make his way to the light.

Their relationship during the two films we got was troubled, to say the least. It’d be great to see them at their prime, having even more connective tissue between the two trilogies. You could contrast this with something heinous Vader does during the series. Or even, Vader doing something reminiscent of Anakin - whether that’s tinkering, potentially reminiscing with Obi-Wan momentarily etc. To not see that in live action would be a huge missed opportunity

 

I guess this is what acting is about: also make credible what seems incredible. Some has charisma and great facial expressions. Some not. Of course I have nothing against the actress and she seems so humble and a really nice person. But my personal opinion is she is reciting lines in a bad speaking tempo. I don't like much her acting, specially against Leia (the reactions of the little one are better), but If I say this I guess it doesn't mean it's bad. Is just my opinion.

Is like the humor in the 80. That was natural humor. Now are gags everywhere. It's difficult to find someone to make credible real life jokes.