Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Yep. There could be some tensions between Luke and Leia about the whole Ben story if they ever join again (I hope they join of course!)

 

I want a happy ending for all of the original characters..so that means for Luke too. Han dying is enough... no more killing off our beloved characters !! lol

I dont just want my cake and to eat it, i want to eat everyones cakes !

 

I'm sure that was exactly what Leia's reasoning was--that she had to protect Ben from knowing what a monster his grandfather was--even if her intentions were misguided and maybe not even particularly honest with herself.

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I do too! Gimme some of that happy ending cake!

 

We really don't know anything about Luke during the time of ROTJ and TFA except for the Force Tree thing, what Han said, and the fact Luke is on an island on a planet.
I finally though agree on something you said. I too want to see Luke succeed and leave a legacy.

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It may not be clear in the film, but the novelization it states it there.

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I posted this before, but here is the alternate ending of The Force Awakens.

 

Aw, man! It should end with @Maximus passing out cake while we all dance to Yub-Nub!



(I know there's cake in there somewhere.)

 

Look at Lando, he's so uncomfortable... ...standing there, looking around "grinning", clapping like an idiot .

 

He needs a cape. Someone get that man a cape so he can have a happy ending too!

 

Perfect!!

 

Great to make fun of people when they want also a better outcome for their character.

 

I'm sorry that you see it that way--I certainly never intended to make fun of anyone. I do wish for a happy ending for all characters, just as @Maximus said. That includes Luke too. You're more than welcome to join in the fun. No one knows what the ending will be yet, so we can dream all we like.

 

You seem to keep on expecting certain answers from people, and then getting all defensive when they disagree with you. No one's attacking you, it's time to lighten up .

 

That's my favorite part of that. I love clapping Lando!

 

I always worry just a little bit if Chewy's going to be okay in the morning.

 

True - that example was intended in a more generalised and macro sense. The seductive mentor demonises the opposition as manipulative and paints a picture of Light-side users limiting the scope of knowledge under a pretense of benevolence. The particulars of the story weren't as important as the possible parallel to Snoke/Ben.



I still see echoes of this theme of potential blowback from using ignorance as protection. It's a smart and effective Sith-esque play to turn the teachings of the Jedi (mistakes of Leia/Luke?) against them in order to exploit and deceive a trainee.

I agree. The whole concept of the Jedi is to cultivate Light-side knowlege and curtail practices that might allow Dark-side corruption. This may require knowledge of your enemies techniques and intentions but also a form of willful ignorance - at least of experience of specific means and method of Dark arts.

 

One could argue that Leia was being selfish by not telling Ben the truth about his grandfather. She wasn't protecting him, but her reputation and legacy instead. Her needs were put above those of her child.

 

very good catch and in Life Debt novel you can see that Luke was fine with his Vader legacy, but Leia struggled a lot to accept it. I think she persuaded Luke to not tell the public about their heritage and Luke reluctantly agreed. So Ben's fall to the dark side was very much Leia's fault. The next mistake was to persuade Luke again to train Ben.

 

Don't worry Rey will keep him focused, Han would wanted that.

 

What I find the most intriguing about the character is that the dark path is not easy for him, in fact, it is extremely difficult- this is why I think he's not in it for himself, that he thinks giving himself to the Dark Side is a necessary sacrifice for the "Greater Good(TM)", aka whatever the hell Kylo wants to achieve. The fact that it causes him pain and still carries on with it, for me, points to someone or something planting this "sense of destiny" in his head, and coincidentally, we have a prime candidate for this role. The main question is, without Snoke, would there be a Kylo Ren? I personally think not, so I don't think it's absolutely unfair to say that Snoke bears at least some responsibility.