Official Finn Episode VIII thread

I don't think GL did either. But either way John is cool and so is Finn

 

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wonder-woman/feature/a829800/wonder-woman-hero-steve-trevor/

You might have been speaking about GL recommending Boyega but I can only say I might have misremembered an article from 3 years ago so many times.

 

None of us will be able to say that we saw it coming though. I don't think Finn will be involved in the shocking reveal that happens in TLJ, I think that reveal will happen on the "Force Side" of the story in TLJ

 

Christ, what a terrible article. Too many men? How else would they emphasise the sheltered and extremely feminine orientated upbringing of Diana without bringing her into contact with very people she is compared against? Steve Trevor wasn't weak (for lack of a better word) like Pepper Potts and Jane Foster (both bad characters) so that ruins Diana? Ridiculous. I don't want to drag this into a subject prohibited (wisely) by the mods but this article isn't feminism, it's misandry.

Anyway I don't want to dis-rail this thread too much with a discussion about another movie but I too have watched Wonder Woman recently and I also couldn't help but think of the Finn and Rey dynamic in comparison to one shown in WW. The difference between the two pairs is quite obvious as are the reasons, to put it succinctly:

In WW, Diana is an powerful idealistic naive heroic character who is thrust into an unfamiliar (and obviously hostile) environment. Steve Trevor is a cynical, pragmatic and world weary mortal who guides Diana through his world. For those who are well read this dynamic is not an unknown one, think Dante and Virgil from Dante's Inferno.

In TFA, Rey is a powerful naive talented heroic character who is thrust into an unfamiliar environment. Finn is a cynical, pragmatic and world weary mortal who is thrust into an unfamiliar environment. Han guides both of these characters through this environment and shares other parallels to Steve.

If Poe had replaced Finn in TFA then the dynamic between the two leads may have been far more similar to WW.

Of course, this is ignoring the obvious differences in regards to the romantic elements between the pairs.

 

I haven't seen the film I brought it up because others had suggested WW handled a male co-star better. I think the problem is that gender and race is only part of the many factors that go into making a film. Second reviewers are Monday morning quarterback on issues and articles like this become click bait.

I tend to look at films themes, world building, characterization and how things fit the world of the film long before I consider meta-aspects of what a film contributes to race or gender meta-narrative. But I figured it was worth noting that what are suggested simple fixes just make for different people angry.

 

It's funny how everyone thinks Boyega was referencing Star Wars, when he was talking about him playing a villain in a different movie

 

Oh I don't take the article's views as your own, don't worry on that account.

I too prefer to look at the world building or characterisation before considering the film's contribution to race or gender politics (in fact I prefer when the latter isn't even a factor in a film) but in such examples like Wonder Woman and, arguably, TFA/ST it is hard to ignore the gender politics which play a large factor in their conception.

I would argue that WW didn't feel the need to overly diminish or reduce the male character to emphasise the female protagonist. Yes, Steve was used on occasion to emphasise the audience's surprise at Diana's capabilities (blocking bullets, strength etc.) but he didn't need to do something stupid to re-emphasise it. It wasn't a combative comparison. Of course we already know that Finn was dialled down in TFA because they didn't think it was beneficial to the film to have two overly competent characters.

The fact that some are angry that Steve wasn't just emphasises the differing feminist views, one is combative while the other is conciliatory (to use polite terms). Funnily enough some of the criticisms of WW from that angle are exactly the same as TFA in regards to the heroine having a love interest, so much so that the director of WW had to tweet to defend her position on having a relationship between Diana and Steve. I don't need to tell you which feminist camp that view comes under, if it could be termed feminism at all.

HOWEVER, all that nonsense above said, the main difference in the reception of the two characters is simply to do with expectations (as many of us have concluded already in regards to Finn). Obviously, you go to see WW knowing you're going to see a powerful female icon kick arse and there was never any confusion over what Steve's role would be, obviously he would be her guide to the modern (kinda) world and (for those familiar with the comics) potentially her romantic interest. With TFA it wasn't so obvious from the start that there would be a strong feminist bent to the film, a strong progressive bent, but not an obviously strong female character focus.

Moreover, the secrecy surrounding "who was doing what" only built up expectations and Finn's placement in scenes only exacerbated the issue. Steve didn't face Ares in WW and nobody expected him to (he would have been obliterated) and it was laughable for anyone to expect him to. Finn.....well we know where he was in the climatic fight of TFA and, strangely, it only served to build up expectations for the rest of the trilogy......for his climatic battle with Phasma and stormtrooper extra executioner.

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EDIT: In some other news for the gamers amongst you, Finn has been confirmed as a playable character in Battlefront 2 in one of the first rounds of DLC (lol) alongside Phasma and the map Crait:

So perhaps we can conclude that the final battle of TLJ takes place over and on Crait. Also note well that Boyega pairs Phasma and Finn as coming together in the same DLC pack so once more they are emphasising the connection between the two.

Spoiler

I'm not going to rant on that one again, I just can't.

Also, I don't know how the DLC for Battlefront 2 will work and who is in what. I'm presuming that Rey and Kylo are in the base game......interpret that how you will. There's your complaint for the next couple of pages, run with it boys.

 

From what I understood like in The Witcher 3, Arms or Splatoon - every couple of weeks a small pack of content will be released in form of new maps, weapons, characters, etc. as a free update for people who own the main game in order to keep people interested in the game during the weeks after the film's release.

PS. I think that these two are getting a release later, presumably after TLJ's premiere because these two are probably going to get a major update in terms of their personal weapons (Finn will probably get a melee weapon) and Lucasfilm doesn't want to spoil it.

 

Well they specifically say that Finn and Phasma DLC will be TLJ since it also comes with the Crait map and I think weapons from that movie so I don't think it is impossible for there to be a TFA Finn (probably with saber and blaster) in the base game. Rey and Kylo are in the base game as TFA and they have DLC for TLJ so the same can be true for others like Finn.

 

The game hits before the movie. So they delay some content.

 

Well its Free DLC right cause paying to play as someone who isnt an alien or white would be lame as all hell.

Well I guess you dont have to pay for Fett. He was in the trailer so I assume he is Day One.

 

But Boba Fett was in the first Battlefront, so they didn't have to do basically any work on him. No rigging, no new textures, no new animations, no need to program new skills. Besides, why do you have to always put a cynical twist on everything Finn-related? He will be there, month after the release, probably with something more interesting to offer than just a new special character with a lightsaber or some variation on a blaster.

PS. Besides, the main character (!) of the game's campaign is a person of colour.

 

Because Battlefront 1 generated so much trust.

 

Battlefront 2 pretty much confirmed that Finn isn't force-sensitive... but hey, just a guess due to the ADVERTISEMENT... LOL

 

Yes, I assumed that's what Boyega meant when he referred to free DLC updates. Possibly it is to do with what weapons they will wield in TLJ but I suspect it is simply a matter of conserving data space on the initial release of the game. God knows when poor old Poe will be added to the game.

I more took it that Boyega was confirming Finn will be a playable character after one of the first rounds of DLC but not in the base game rather than Finn from TLJ being DLC content. That's how I took it anyway.

Was it confirmed that TLJ Rey and Kylo skins were DLC or are they just included in the base game?

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Where?

 

I know they were marketing TLJ Rey and Kylo as preorder DLC and they already showed TFA versions in the regular game.

 

They showed Finn and Phasma during the the EA/E3 PLAY, my guess is, since they are showing him with a blaster, he will not be wielding a light-saber. If he is force-sensitive in TLJ, they would release Finn after the film with the appropriate DLC or micro-transaction to keep it a secret, but they are SHOWCASING his look now, and I believe he will be released with TLJ DLC thats released b4 TLJ comes out. Its just a guess, doesn't confirm anything, so I don't want to upset anyone that believes he's force-sensitive, just a guess from the marketing and advertisement.

 

I feel like that doesn't really do anything one way or another on the FS argument because hypothetically you could have an ANH Luke skin with a blaster, all it really confirms is that Finn's primary weapon in TLJ will probably be that pistol Boyega showed a pic of.

 

Yeah come on EA aint confirming anything in Battlefront.

 

However its logically to assume that if Finn is force sensitive we'd see a progression on that in TLJ - using a lightsaber again/more, using the force etc... and those elements would be featured in a game like battlefront.