Official Leia Organa Episode VIII Discussion Thread

Or, also likely, Lieutenant Connix dies in Episode VIII.

 

I saw a photo of the Snoke and Leia in a Disney sales flyer. They had two different release dates. With the black series Snoke so far behind hard to tell if correct

 

Maybe she will die in IX off screen since they aren't able to have her in it. Perhaps it is Leia's death that brings Kylo back around to the Light Side of the Force.

 

I've also thought that, perhaps, her fate was planned to be left as a cliffhanger in The Last Jedi but will now be used as the death of her character. It would explain why she was supposedly supposed to be a huge part of Episode IX, yet this film will still give us closure for her character without being altered from what it was prior to Carrie's death.

 

Perhaps, but I hope not. For Leia's fate to be revealed when she's off screen or, worse, in the crawl ("GENERAL LEIA ORGANA IS DEAD.") would be so disrespectful to Carrie as well as the character. There are more elegant ways to do it, even if Leia survives until Episode IX.

 

So it implies that she will die, right ?

 

Thanks, it makes sense.

 

I think it implies that she dies. Because if they left it up to a cliffhanger that was integral to the story then automatically everyone knows the result of the cliffhanger. Her death is talked about in the opening scroll and we move on...I don't think that's fitting.

I'm pretty sure after her death they went back and filmed a few more scenes, or were in the process of reshoots, so they may have found a way to do it right.

But from everything I've read from RJ it seems like her death really threw his ideas for where the story was going into the shredder.

 

She's not dying in the film. Because she completed her scenes before she died.

 

True. I don't know what Rian has in store for Leia but it has to be good.

 

That's what I'm saying, though. If The Last Jedi brings closure to her character, yet she was supposed to be at the forefront of Episode IX, it would make sense that her fate at the end of this film is left up in the air. Hence, they wouldn't have to alter it but could easily transition into Episode IX with a clear setup for her character's death.

Personally, I hope the plan was just for her to die in The Last Jedi all along, just because that's the only way I see myself at least having full closure. Without Carrie Fisher, there is no Princess Leia. I don't want her character to be ruined because they didn't know how to handle her death for future films. I hope that everything Rian, Mark, and Kathleen have said about Carrie being at the forefront of Episode IX is a misdirection tactic, just because it's going to be painful enough sitting through this film and knowing it's her last one. We shouldn't have to go into the next film wondering what her character's fate is.

 

I would read this comment to mean that in some way the story arc with Kylo is complete at the end of 8, or can at least be perceived as complete by the end of 8. I do not think that the audience will have percieved her story as complete. I don't think they reshot things and I believe the entire script and concept for 9 is being redone. The basic reason for this has less to do with Leia and more to do with JJ taking over the movie. Of course Carries death changes what was going to be planned for 9 in a major way.

We were told a couple of things,
1) 8 and 9 are suppose to involve a direct confrontation of Mother and Son
2) a reunion of Luke and Leia.

Personally I think that we see number 2 in 8 and we will not see number 1 at all. The reason for this has to do with story construct. We are trying to build a trilogy to a natural conclusion. the primary villain in the series in Kylo, taking on the Vader role. he kills his father. At some point he must confront mom. Leia said she lost him when she sent him to train with Luke. Leia is the only one who can save Kylo. Listen to the line of dialogue. This confrontation would naturally occur in the third act of the series which would be the last film. Now we have a problem. It can't occur. So we foreshadow Kylo's change of heart through the space scene in the trailer.

Why I think 2 is in 8. We know luke leaves the planet he is on through all the rumors we have seen, and the Falcon shot. If he leaves, he will not leave and not see leia. My guess is Luke leaves to save Rey, unlike Yoda, Luke does what Yoda would not. Luke then takes Rey back to finish her training after rejecting her in the early film. Kylo then follows and the last confrontation is between Kylo and Rey. Perhaps it is here we discover who Rey's parents are. Especially if she is in fact related to Kylo. if Kylo discovers this after failing to kill his mother, then extends a hand out to Rey, Leia would have effectively turned Kylo even if he is not completely aware of it and thus her "arc" would be complete.

 

I do think they will use some footage of Carrie in IX. (I think the announcement about no CGI Leia was partly a reaction to Rogue One criticisms; it frees them up to use existing footage in some way). But I agree with the above, I think her role in the story will be related through Rey as well as Luke. And there will probably be a hologram of Leia, or even a brief no-dialogue appearance.

I don't think it will be as powerful, but what can yo do...

 

Force wielding Leia?