Official Luke Skywalker Episode VIII Discussion Thread

No - this implies that family and children are the ultimate goal ofa life and not achieve that is a tragity. Maybe Luke just doesn't like kids.

 

1. Luke showed his interest in the opposite sex in ANH and when he kissed Leia.
2. Yoda's line "The force runs strong in your family, pass on what you have learned" implies teaching future Skywalker's not just Leia.
3. The ultimate goal of any life form is to procreate. I understand what you are saying, but Luke's behavior throughout the trilogy makes me want to see him as a father and pass on the force and the Skywalker name.

 

In Rebels, didn't it take two individuals, a master and apprentice, to open the Jedi and Sith temples...?

 

YES shhh

 

If he had one like Ben Solo, could you blame him?

 

One thing we should assume is those scenes on Ahch-To are probably way out of context. Maybe you are onto something with needing two people. Maybe instead of training Rey in a traditional sense, they go on a search together for whatever Luke has been after. This leads to training moments and small adventures with the Porgs. The scene with Luke and the map could be moments after they find the books together. Maybe they find the tree, go inside and what they find leads to Luke's realization that the Jedi must end.

Clouded the events of this movie are!

 

1) Doesn't mean he wants to get married and have kids.
2) No it STATES that the force is strong in his family AND he should teach other people who can use the force.
3) Many people choose not to have children. Your desire to see him as a father doesn't = Luke not being a father is a tragity.

 

Wow, did my opinion of Luke not have any off spring hit a nerve or something? I'm assuming you don't have or want children? To me it would be a tragedy if the ONLY offspring to come from Luke and Leia is Kylo.

Your answer to #2 doesn't make sense. Yoda would have said "the force is strong with YOU, pass on what you have learned". But thats not what he said. He said "your family" to remind Luke that the force runs in bloodlines and he should pass on what has learned to future Skywalker's in order to rebuild the Jedi.

 

Obi-Wan and Yoda were wrong, though. And these two men did not hold grudges. If you were to ask either, I think both would admit to being happy, and happy that Luke rejected their testament; it was very clear that Obi-Wan and Yoda were raising Luke to destroy Vader and the Emperor, even when Luke says he won't kill his father, Obi-Wan sorrowfully tells him then the empire has already won.

But Luke rejected that ideal, and truly believed love and family could save Vader, which Obi-Wan and Yoda did not. Now, Luke was right; Anakin was saved. And Obi-Wan and Yoda were of course thrilled, as this option saved this family in the end. An option they did not believe in. The three appearing at the end fundamentally proves Luke was right to the viewer, and delivers a very clear message; Luke represented the Returned Jedi, perhaps a more true Jedi than even Obi-Wan or Yoda. Nor is this an argument of the prequels and its effects on the saga; This is purely character development, Luke proved the old way was wrong, he embraced being a Jedi, yes. He rejected the lessons and warnings of Obi-Wan and Yoda, though. Because they were wrong.

That's exactly how I feel; Luke represented the True Jedi Way; when Jedi of Old raised arms and went to war, Luke fundamentally rejected the conflict in ROTJ when he threw away his lightsaber. He absolutely proved Obi-Wan and Yoda wrong, and discovered a path of enlightenment that the Old Jedi had lost. When he made that decision, and was right, there's absolutely no reason Yoda and Obi-Wan would have felt jilted or held some silly grudge; they had seen the truth, and it had set them and Anakin free. In that way it ultimately concludes the coming of age story; whereby Luke has grown beyond his elders, and learned a greater truth for the future.

 

I have to disagree with you here... the only "retcon" of the OT was delivered in the PT itself. Fortunately, that was in reverse chronological order, so going forward in time, Luke's version of the Jedi can deviate from what came before him, just as he himself did in the OT. (Which I think is exactly what the new powers that be are doing, and perhaps what Lucas himself always intended...)

Spot on!

 

My point is people seem to want to ditch the Jedi because of the PT era teachings, corruption and even suggest that the Jedi should never have even aligned themselves with the Jedi.

The problem is we don't know what teachings may have changed between trilogies. We do know Obi-Wan remembers the Jedi as protectors, guardians of justice, even if he is wearing rose colored glasses. This is what Luke learned. Yoda taught Luke lots of spiritual things, how to focus, how to calm, how to think. When Luke returned to Yoda his training almost complete. Becoming a Jedi was presented as a noble thing. Luke declared himself a Jedi at the climax of ROTJ. This is supposed to be a great thing.

Why are people down on the Jedi? Not because of Yoda and Obi-Wan in the OT. But because how they interpret things from the PT or because they assume Obi and Yoda made no changes in the years between.

First the negative view of the Jedi seem to come from fans and critics not from characters in the film that the film establishes as reliable sources of information. Second it is severe in its application. It suggests (like Dark fricken Sidious) that the Jedi are no better than the Sith. Even if you say the Jedi were arrogant and flawed. They were the ones trying to stop atrocity. They were fighting for justice they were engaged in exactly the kind of things that Obi-Wan suggested Jedi did, defending innocent people like the people of Naboo. Where they slipped up is because their vision was clouded they were out smarted. That doesn't make them just as bad as the Sith.

They criticized the dogma of the Jedi but Anakin could have stepped down and dealt with it openly leaving the Order. Instead he hid it because he had a desire to continue to grow in power and significance. It should be noted that Anakin fell because he didn't follow Yoda's teachings. If anything they tolerated him too much, because of who they thought he was.

After all that Luke is the New Hope because why, he is going to go to Alderaan to learn the ways of the force and become a Jedi like his father.

 

Why? If Luke didn't want children, thats not tragedy.

Yoda didn't say anything about pass on what you've learned your family, just pass it on. He didn't tell Luke he needed to have children - given the Jedi's view on things they probably wouldn't want Luke to have kids.

 

"The force runs strong in you family. Pass on what you have learned". Pretty clear to me. Also, in case you didn't notice, Yoda talks backwards sometimes.

I'm glad you don't care if Luke had a family. For me, I always imagined Luke training his children in the ways of the force. It doesn't look like that happened.

 

Well Rey is legal age. They could have kids. Luke and Rey sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

 

I know this belongs in the Marvel / Dark Horse comics thread, so my apologies, just wanted all Luke Skywalker fans to know, or I should have linked it... anyway my apologies in advance. Star Wars Tales issue 15 Published by Dark Horse comics in 2003, Story: Do or Do Not, story by: Jay Laird, Art: Timothy II, last few panels on the last page:

Leia: Go on...

Luke: I just haven't had time to figure out everything about who I am - - The Last Jedi, your brother... (Episode 8 title).

Leia: Your not alone, you know. (hugs Luke)

Luke: I know. And hey, maybe you and Han will make some little Jedi for me to train some day. (Ben Solo, future Jedi Academy... was Luke ever intending to have children? Since he said, I am the last Jedi)

Leia: Maybe. (Yoda ghost appears as Leia walks away)

Second to last panel: Yoda ghost winking at Luke. ( LOL)

Last panel: Luke smiling at the Yoda force ghost. (Knowing surely he is not alone...)

I dug this comic out of my comic long boxes to read the first tale, Sandstorm, which featured a story with a young Luke and Annie from TPM (both about the same age). It was so good, couldn't put down the comic, so I read the fourth story in the anthology, Do or Do Not... One more to go, Slippery Slope: narration begins with:

Maybe the last place you'd expect to find The Last Jedi... (Is this a coincidence?!?)

Milko: ( Luke's antagonist) Oh please beneficial and magnificent Jedi Priest please spare my worthless life I promise... ( Do Priest have children?)

Luke once again defies Yoda's order to kill an opponent just like he did with Vader and lets Milko go...

Yoda: Appeal to his vanity you did. Interesting choice. ( Luke following his own path, not constricted by the dogmatic teachings of the Jedi of old )

Anyway, what do you guys think? Considering that this DH comic was published way back in 2003, before Disney acquired Lucas film in 2012.

Last tale in this anthology, Lucky Stars, consist of a Special Rebel Intelligence Squad made up of all women. KK would like that, could be pitched for the next standalone film.

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Talk about cherry picking legends... hahaha

 

Curious to hear your thoughts on my theory about Luke in The Last Jedi:

• Luke will be in a very bad place psychologically in The Last Jedi
• Rey will need to persuade Luke to join the fight against the First Order and the dark side
• Luke is extremely disillusioned with the Jedi philosophy
• There is a competition between the force ghosts of Anakin and Obi-Wan/Yoda to sway Luke's opinion about how to proceed with the new Jedi order
• Luke will develop a new force philosophy distinct from that of the Jedi and train Rey in this philosophy

Link to the Full Theory: http://starwarsanalysis.com/luke-theory/

 

I am very excited about the tidbit dropped in today's Vanity Fair article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

Oscar Isaac, at 38 the senior member of the core cast’s “new kids” (Driver is 33, and Ridley and Boyega are in their mid-20s), is old enough to remember as a child revering Luke Skywalker. “So to be there, and to watch Mark revisit Luke, particularly in these scenes we were shooting towards the end of the film, was bizarre and jaw-dropping,” he told me. “It’s like when you see an old band re-unite and go on the road, and they don’t quite hit those high notes anymore—though in this situation it’s completely the opposite. It’s the fulfillment of where your imagination would take you when you imagine where Luke would go, or what he’s become.”

Darth Plagueis confirmed!!!!

Just kidding, but I take this to mean Luke Skywalker as a true Master of the Force. Think about where Anakin could have gotten to if he had stayed in the light, and I think we will see a Luke as proficient with a lightsaber as Mace Windu and as powerful in the force as Yoda, and wiser than them all.

 

I was just getting ready to post this same quote. I feel like this movie is going to be a downer for the heros for most of the film. Until the end when Luke Skywalker finally shows us the "true nature of the force". Ok, I'm pumped now!

 

Vanity Fair - Star Wars Nerds, Mark Hamill Is One of You

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/mark-hamill-star-wars-nerd