Official Luke Skywalker Episode VIII Discussion Thread

I laughed way harder than I probably should have reading this line.

 

I did not think the character of Luke Skywalker was butchered. In the THIRD flashback vision in Kylo Ren's tent, we finally see the truth behind the Kylo Ren murder mystery.

Spoiler

Luke was in Kylo's tent and was contemplating murdering Kylo. However, Luke was not going to do it. He was tempted by fear but was not going to do it. It was when Kylo awoke that things escalated to proportions beyond control.

It is not the first time Luke has been tempted by the Dark Side but it had to be his last. I like the way they executed this scene.

This scene is very reminiscent of the "From a certain point of view" scene from ROTJ.


Luke lies to Rey as Obi Wan lied to Luke all those years ago. The only difference here is Luke truly was not going to murder Ben Solo.

 

Spoiler

Luke realized that in order to defeat Kylo he had to be in his mind constantly, like Han (whose line: "Snoke is using you for your power...etc") whose haunting presence caused Kylo to rebel against Snoke. But in order to do this, to really defeat Kylo, Luke knows he has to become one with the force, and die. The ultimate sacrifce. Beautiful and another testament to excellent writing

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Kylo has it. If you'd paid attention at the forceback in TFA

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Luke is just like Yoda, when you meet him you think "strange, I thought he was a hero", but in the end he ends up being everything you imagined and more. Just like Yoda. A powerful Jedi master, who doesn't let his friends and family down, and who is willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good of the galaxy.

 

This was never confirmed. But anyways why does he have the lightsaber in the rain scene? We now know that this scene has nothing to do with temple massacre. So many questions.

 

My guess its the future. I think Rey will confront Kylo and the Knights of Ren on a rain planet in Episode IX at some point during the movie.

 

That's the exact same thought we had in the Kylo Thread earlier today. The scene shows Supreme Leader Ren fighting against Rey and the Resistance. Later Kylo could kill his own knights.

 

Yes Mark, yes I did

But I do think they handled it very well. They showed Luke was incredibly powerful and he owned Kylo without using violence.

The fan boy in me wanted Luke to lay waste to the FO with the green saber but I also didnt want a cheesy over the top fight scene like Yoda vs Palpatine in the PT.

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Yes Mark, yes I did

But I do think they handled it very well. They showed Luke was incredibly powerful and he owned Kylo without using violence.

The fan boy in me wanted Luke to lay waste to the FO with the green saber but I also didnt want a cheesy over the top fight scene like Yoda vs Palpatine in the PT.

 

As a super long time fan of Star Wars and Luke Skywalker, I think this was a near perfect send off.

He felt true guilt from what happened with Ben. He had a split second reaction that cost him his nephew... That is a real thing, we all struggle with our convictions and how to handle different situations when we feel we might lose someone we love to a similar fate as another close person/family member who went down the same path. That was great to see and unfortunate in regard to Ben Solo, however he was already headed down the wrong path, yet as Rey said, he might not have made his final decision, and it is so true that this decision should have been left to him to make. Luke should have waited

His guilt causing him to shut himself off from the Force was interesting and makes sense. You have to put yourself in his shoes. He felt he was more of a danger to the galaxy than any good and therefore responded accordingly (though incorrectly IMO)

After his conversation with Yoda, it is clear he knew what he needed to do, and that was let the next generation make their decision. The Force handles keeping the balance - (Rey is the Force's answer to Kylo - even Snoke said it).

The end of the movie was perfect as a sendoff, he made things right and paved the way for Rey. No he didn't train her to the extent I expected, but I like that, he left her with enough to build onto. Now she is free to chart her own path without too much hand holding, which can turn out better than the latter.

Rey is amazing and I love the way her story is going so far. She made her choice on her own to go the way of the Jedi, and no one forced her. I love that, so now her resolve is her own and I cannot wait to see what she does next and how she progresses.

Luke showing off what has to be the greatest show of Force to-date with the transcendence of space and projection of himself through the Force was epic. This confirms that he is at least up to now, the strongest force user the galaxy has ever known. Of course at a cost, but well worth it, as he is now responsible for saving the resistance and given them a chance to rebuild.

This movie was great! I have no idea how anyone can feel otherwise, though I understand that my opinion is NOT the end all/be all

 

Also, it's been well documented that Mark did not like RJ's direction for Luke. I think it had more to do with his attempted murder of Ben. Maybe the original script was more in line with Bens memory of the event and the fact that it was a fleeting urge that Luke overcame on his own before acting on it was added to help smooth out that disagreement?

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Great post. You singlehandedly made appreciate the movie even more!

 

glad I could be of service there. To me this movie was so great, I saw it a second time to help me digest everything that happened better. The second time was perfect, and everything even made more sense to me.

 

Your two opinions have made me appreciate this film a lot more, too! Thank you!

 

Second viewing is in order then!

 

I need to start with a confession:
My involuntary reaction to the first credit (R.J.'s name) following my initial viewing of the movie was not a classy one.
Sometimes middle fingers have a mind of their own.

That said, I must also admit (and this somehow feels worse) after seeing it for the second time, I'm not sure I'm even qualified to have an opinion. Hatred (of the non-idiot variety, at least) requires some understanding of that which you're hating, right?
.... I'm not there yet.

I'll start with the "big one"- Luke's death. While it did result in my only moment of "emotional engagement" as a viewer, I ruined it for myself by thinking about it afterwards.

To explain- if that really was the end of Luke Skywalker, it wasn't The Force taking him.

Wait- strike that- it technically WAS the Force, I suppose. (This explanation kinda sucks- I apologize)
I think what I'm trying to say is this:
If I have to watch the most meaningful character of my generation ride off into his farewell sunset, it better be atop the most magnificent, white stallion-esque creature on the planet.

But it didn't happen that way. Luke turned to the dark side, and only made it back by seconds before he died.

The light side of the force can't be "exhausted or spent" by those who draw upon it, because the source isn't limited to what's within a single living thing.
It's a shared (external) source from which a Jedi draws- making "death by depletion" conceptually ridiculous.

The dark side on the other hand is narcissistic. Internal.
Luke might have pulled it off more convincingly, but he still borrowed that trick from the Sith.


More to follow- I'm still processing this as I write it.

 

I wonder how does that green milk taste. Luke seemed to totally love it. Where can I get some?

 

Up on that celebration stage MH almost lost it, RJ looked really nervous, and KK had cut MH off. I wish they had listened to him he is Luke Skywalker.

 

I am not even a big Star Wars fan, never had the toys, etc.

But I loved Luke's journey in the OT. Learning about life, about the Force.

In TLJ I think they just urinated over any "emotion" that people may have had for Luke, any sense of wonder what happened to him in the preceding years.

I mean that unbelievable scene at the end of TFA with Rey handing Luke his lightsaber, hoping that he will come back, the whole audience hoping that he will return and teach us some profound life wisdom he garnered in the years of his old age when he trains Rey. To give us an amazing piece of Star Wars emotion that people love this franchise for.

Well in TLJ we find out he takes the lightsaber and with an accompanying wa-waaa-waaaaaaa comedic downer orchestra effect he tosses it behind his shoulder.

Really?

That's the best Rian Johnson had for the the single important scene the entire audience was looking forward to? (It being the END of the previous movie and all).

I think RJ must have no magnificence or noteworthy life lessons in him to impart an audience in the first place to be honest, or else we would have got something else.

It's moviemaking 101, if you don't have the horsepower just make an over the top gag. Nothing to see here, move on. He just couldn't hack it.

 

A guy in my theater said out loud "no what the ****" when Luke tossed the saber.

Abrams and Kasdan gave that awesome last scene and sequence of TFA with the set up and that's what Johnson chooses to do with it...for some bathos that falls flat.

 

There was nothing wrong with it. He didn't wanna have anything to do with it.

 

I don't know how to "like" this post in a way that adds a sticker to the bottom, so I have to do it the old way and just tell you:
Great post- thank you for writing it.

I've seen the phrase "butcher a sacred cow" used multiple times in reference to this movie... but each time as if it were a good thing.

Why?

I mean, I like a good steak as much as the next guy, but I feel like there were other beef options available... options which didn't define an entire generation of moral compasses.

I digress...

Anyway- thanks again- good post.