SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

I understand that from the drama point of view a Rey Solo would give more conflict. The clash between 2 siblings are potentially much more dramatic than of two cousins.But if this turns out to be true, I think Han had such a bad ending. He couldn't rejoice over finding a long lost daughter or could Rey enjoy her father just a little. It's unfair for such a loved character die without knowing it (or at least told her).

OTOH, if he is just her uncle, the mystery make sense. He had found the long lost daughter of his friend, Leia is sending her to her father, but none have revealed the truth, so that when she finally find Luke the undeniable truth will unite them again.

 

Maybe it's Mara Rey Skywalker...

 

What really made the twist possible was the absence of the PT. My question is, should we be expecting a twist reveal? Because, now that the PT are done and we know the full background, "I am your father" in Empire isn't a twist at all. It's a twist for Luke, but not for us in the audience.

 

I see it as more tragic but in a way that adds to the depth of the story. There's ultimately more hope brought about by it if Rey ends up saving Kylo where Han couldn't. And the thing is Rey being Ben's sister is probably the only thing that could inspire her to want to save him at this point. You might have been able to sell Rey wanting to save her cousin if they'd had some history and were as close as siblings once, but I can't see how they could have ever known each other if Rey was never at Luke's Temple/Academy. He'd effectively be a stranger to Rey and it would take a pretty significant familial bond coming to light to make her rethink her hostile feelings about him. Cousins just doesn't do it.

It's been argued that the reason TFA took such care to establish a bond between Han and Rey is because it's meant to make up for the fact that they're not gonna get the chance to actually know each other as father and daughter when the truth comes to light. Rey did get time with him and knew what it would be like to be his daughter, even for just a little while, and she would've known for sure that if he'd lived and got to discover the truth of their relationship, he would've loved her very much.

As both the heroine and antagonist's father, Han lives on in their conflict, his name and memory would have to be invoked pretty often. Whereas he's pretty much gradually forgotten if he's just the uncle to the heroine and while I imagine he'll be on Kylo's mind a lot, it'll probably be more of an internal thing and not something that organically comes up in confrontations between him and Rey if she's Luke's daughter (and presumably caught up in an all new father-daughter arc with him and not so much preoccupied with her grief over Han anymore). And Rey, as both daughter and the inheritor of Han's legacy (symbolically dresses like him, inherits the MF and Chewie's companionship), would make her appropriate as someone who could grant Kylo forgiveness for killing him. She'd be very much a symbolic stand in. Not so much if we're about to dive into some complicated ReySky backstory explaining everything about Luke and the baby mama and what happened to them all things which will enormously distance Rey from anything to do with Han (and Kylo for that matter if he's not the one who put her on Jakku). (This gets into another complication entirely because episode VIII still has to explain not just Rey's backstory but Kylo's as well, because there's still so much unexplained there, and that's best done if their backstories are closely intertwined and can be explained together, not a case of 2 different nuclear families imploding under unrelated circumstances.)

 

We will love Rey as Solo as Skywalker and also as Mrs X..
who cares if they just give Daisy a great skript .. it will work..
in the force we trust

 

I agree with you that the emotional arc of Rey being Kylo sister makes the story much more interesting and deeper, but IMO it weakens TFA. Maz's speech loose completely it's purpose, Han and Leia kind treatment (and omission of the truth) became odd. And I think Han deserved a "fathers embrace". In the end, he could not turn back his son, but at least he could have the joy of embrace his daughter again. That would be a good death.

In any case, explain the circumstances which Rey was left in Jakku will be complicated. But I think that for Han and Leia it will be even more awkward.

 

Not really when Maz probably doesn't even know who Rey's parents are (I think a recent tie-in book actually revealed that the last time Han saw Maz was around 25 years ago, before Rey was even born), and that conversation was about how she just recognized a Force user whose abilities were going to waste and wanted to guide her towards her destiny. Rey's destiny is training to become a Jedi regardless of who her family is.

I tend to think their conversation could end up being about Rey in an unsaid way like some have been theorizing recently (like "we both had to deal with 'it' in our own way" could refer Han and Ben's reactions to something that happened to an infant Rey). Or if not it still makes perfect sense for parents not to discusses the painful subject of a daughter who they think died 15 or more years ago when the pressing issue is their recently resurfaced son who is still alive.

 

Not if Han have a clue about who Rey is. This makes the perfect time to bring it to surface. I read the article in movieplot, but although I can perfectly accept that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter, that particular interpretation of this dialog is odd. For me is clear that it makes reference about the way Han and Leia dealt about the fall of Ben to the Dark Side.

 

"Rey Jade" ?

 

Her full name is JeffREY Jacob Abrams.

I thought everybody knew that?

 

I don't think it actually occurred to Han she could be his daughter in this scenario, because if she'd been presumed dead 15 or more years ago it would have to have been in a way that had him, Leia and Ben pretty convinced she really was dead, as it would be what probably prompted Leia to send Ben to Luke and drove Han back into smuggling. So when Han comes across Rey as an adult it's gonna take more than knowing her for a few hours to even begin to suspect it's her.

That conversation can be interpreted any number of ways at this point and was deliberately written to be as vague as possible, so I don't think anyone can say definitively what Han was referring to when he said "we both had to deal with it" yet.

 

I agree that Han wouldn't recognize her instantly, but convince Leia that her daughter was dead is more difficult. She sensed Luke alive in ROTJ and Han's death in TFA. Surely she would know if her daughter was alive or not. I believe that if she is her daughter or Luke's both would know whether she was alive or not, but probably not able to find her in the galaxy. In Anakin's case I believe he had a strong connection with Padme, but not yet with the twins (he doesn't even know that she is pregnant of twins, but I digress). That's why he believed for so long that all have died.

I understand that this conversation can be interpreted this way (and many others), but I don't believe is vague. The context of dialog implies that the "it" refers to the way Han and Leia dealt with Ben's fall. Han went back to smuggling and Leia to Politics/Resistance. Although possible, other interpretations seems forced. If we start to force improbable interpretations of dialog we can pick Yoda's "There is another" in TESB and say he is referring to another Skywalker that is not Leia or even a Kenobi or Palpatine offspring.

Rey can be anyone daughter, as the clues are very dubious, but some options require that we see TFA dialog and interactions in a very unnatural or forced ways. The easiest is to make her a random or a Skywalker (and create a story for her mother and circumstances of her abandonment in Jakku).

 

Well we have a pretty convenient explanation potentially in waiting because they've said that the Force went mysteriously dormant throughout the galaxy some time ago, and people who were normally able to sense it weren't be able to (from the VD). The thinking is something traumatic enough happened to Rey to cut off her connection to the Force and Leia could have sensed that and thought it meant she was dead. That's what I mean by the family potentially being convinced she was gone, if neither Luke or Leia can sense her.

But after ESB came out there WAS a ton of interpretations made of that line. For example apparently loads of people were convinced "another" referred to Wedge Antilles lol. It was only afterwards that everyone got confirmation it was Leia. Presumably we'll get that in episode VIII.
Context was meant to make you think that's what Han was referring to, yes, but all I'm saying is it could easily turn out to be a red herring and he's referring to something else.

 

Do foreign dub actors get instructions on how to translate/dub certain lines? In the Russian version of TFA, little Rey shouts: "No! Dad! No!" after the ship.

 

having worked in the dub business, i know how easily it can go goobers without parameters.

this feels like a particularly liberal translation of "no! come back!" (to say the least).
but it's hard to know what motivated the translator/scriptwriter (not always the same person) to add "Dad" in there.
for a project this big, you would think there would be oversight, but, as i said, having worked in the business oversight doesn't mean anybody necessarily went through it with a fine-tooth comb.

 

We have to keep in mind that both in the movie and the novelization Snoke says to Kylo "There's been an awakening. Have you felt it?" right after Rey, Finn and BB8 escape Jakku. It hardly seems coincidental to me. It almost seems like Jakku was repressing the force in Rey. Maybe Jakku is even more isolated than we thought, making it impossible to establish any sort of connection with its inhabitants? I mean, think about it... how come Han didn't find the Falcon there, even though he was apparently nearby, near enough to track it down shortly after Rey and Finn departed. What about the Imperial secret weapons facility? Surely they would try to make it as hard as possible for enemies to find it?

 

The Emperor tells Vader there's been a disturbance in the Force... 3 years after the events of A New Hope. lol It's like, wake up grandpa! Where have you been.

 

lol. But i think the disturbance only occurred when Obi-Wan appeared to Luke on Hoth and told him to go to Dagobah to learn with Yoda.

 

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Actually, in ANH, when Vader is right on Luke's butt in the trench, Ben speaks to Luke, to which Vader replies, "The Force is strong with this one."