Rewatching Revenge of the Sith

I generally like the prequels too. But I look more like this -

 

Oh Lindbergh's older brother.

 

CGI stands for Computer-generated Imagery...

...now i'm starting to think that whole post was a gag...

 

Most of his post are like that. I'm not totally sure hes playing around.

 

The ROTS novel was excellent. Gave great insight into the minds of great characters.

 

So everything that is CGi is awful?

Lol...you guys are going to kill yourselves after Eposode VII..

It's like you think everything is going to look like it did I the late 70s and early 90s.

Lucas is going to laugh his ass off.

 

Going to get a lot of hate on this. Yoda was a coward. That is why he went into hiding and became a hermit. His excuse for doing this was to be there for a "New Hope", but that was just an excuse. He was afraid and went into hiding instead of I don't know...helping the rebels or plotting against the emperor.

 

Ah but he WAS plotting against the emperor...

From a certain point of view

 

Dude is 800 years old, he can afford to play the long game.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/straw man

Straw man: a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted.

Seriously, man... who's actually saying any of this stuff? All CGI is awful? Episode 7 should look exactly like it was made in the 1970s?

Why not address actual opinions that posters have expressed, rather than just making 'em up yourself?

 

I can see the argument of him being a coward, mostly I feel like he felt ashamed, that he had failed. He went after Palpatine because he felt he was the only one strong enough to do it. More Jedi doesn't exactly mean more likely to win, Mace brought three of the best swordsmen of the order and they all died instantly. Obi-Wan had killed a Sith yes, first one to do so in 1000 years, but they all knew it was luck (ironic I know) and I think Obi-Wan even touched the dark side when he defeated Maul.

Now back to Yoda, he felt the death of the order, you could see it easily, the death of the Jedi ran out through the force. Being the Jedi most attuned to the force caused Yoda to feel the brunt of it. Killing Palpatine was going to be vengeance, justice, the very least his lost friends needed. Did he do it for the Republic? Most likely yes, but I think he did it more for the order. When he hit the ground he panicked he sensed his own mortality, and yes Sidious held the high ground. He went into hiding as penance for his failure, to perhaps one day redeem himself by training someone new to succeed where he failed.

 

Just watched ROTS. There is one thing I hated about it. Mace Windu and two other Jedis going after palpatine. They know he is the sith lord and that he is very powerful. Then they start to fight and palpatine kills the two jedis in about 5 seconds!!! They countered not one single stroke...just standing there and died.
It`s just stupid.

 

I could not care less what critics or other fans think. I do not need them to form an opinion for myself.

 

Fallon, I loved your first post in this thread. Gave it a "like" because it was just so good. But you lost me when you said -

I noticed you got two dislikes on that post. I did not give either of them to you, but I was tempted. I'd like to explain why the first post was so loved and the second post was so unloved.

Everybody has opinions. You do, and you expressed yours brilliantly in your first post. But your opinion of whether a movie is good or not doesn't mean that movie is good or not to anybody except you. As soon as you said "It's not an opinion - it's just how it is" you told the rest of us that our opinions don't count. And even though you probably did not mean to be insulting by saying that, the truth (in my opinion) is that it is insulting to be told our opinions don't count as much as yours.

If you had claimed 2+2=4, you could say "It's not an opinion - it's just how it is" because mathematics is empirically verifiable. But movies, like music or paintings or any other form of art, are not empirical. They're subjective. Look how many composers and painters are famous today but were unknown or despised during their own lifetimes. There will always be some people who honestly enjoy a movie that other people honestly despise. To say either opinion is not an opinion, "it's just how it is" is a claim that cannot be substantiated.

The critics were pretty brutal to the original Star Wars movie back in 1977, too. That alone should show you the fallacy of using the critics to back up your argument. And claiming that the majority of fans is on your side is as dangerous as saying the majority of people believed the world was flat 600 years ago so it really must have been flat back then. Majorities are frequently wrong. In fact, historically speaking, nearly every truth we now hold to be self-evident was at one point ridiculed and attacked by the majority of the people when that truth was first proposed. Today's mainstream religions were yesterday's fringe cults, and yesterday's mainstream religions are today's mythologies. Appealing to a majority to substantiate your opinion doesn't make your opinion a fact. It's still an opinion.

I agree with every one of your ROTS criticisms, but I still enjoyed the movie. However, I'm not going to claim the movie was artistically brilliant and that's "not an opinion - it's just how it is". I liked it; that's my opinion. You didn't like it; that's yours. I hope you can agree to disagree with my opinion without insisting that your opinion counts as fact.

 

Hey, you just ruined that scene for me! If you keep going Dekka I won't have anything to like about the PT.

All seriousness aside, I attributed that to him having some Sith power to block out pain, or some such nonsense.

 

LOL! Sorry compadre. I wasn't trying to whittle away at your last few bits of PT enjoyment there.

But man, that non-reaction of Dooku's has always bugged the hell out of me. Because other than that, it was a fairly decent scene. Oh, I could pick a few nits here and there, but for better or worse my bar isn't particularly high as to what makes a decent PT scene in my book. (And there still aren't too damned many of them, unfortunately.)

 

Revenge of the Sith...of the three, the one that tried the hardest to blind me, so that for a few moments I thought I was seeing something good. But it didn't hold up even after the first viewing, even though I was at a midnight premiere screening with stormtroopers and Jedi everywhere in costume to make for a great experience. From the get-go, this film fails on each and every level with a few, very few, bright short moments.
What Obi-Wan should have said instead of "Another happy landing" was "Another wasted opportunity."

Story:
Obi-Wan had a good line of dialogue. Padmé showed some acting in one scene. Close-up of Darth Vader.
All together perhaps 10 seconds worth of goodness.

 

I for one really like the PT especially Ep3!!

Of course there are some things I would change, but overall I enjoyed them and I still do.. I didn't think Hayden failed his role, it could have been better, but I blame the poorly written dialogue..

They might have rushed everything a bit, and focused on the wrong things? Like the reason for Anakin to turn ...
But that said, I still enjoyed it and loved the last fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin, most of all the speech Obi-Wan gives after defeating Anakin..

 

On the surface, ROTS was the best of the three, because there was more action, and more dramatic things happened. It was always going to be more interesting than the other two, simply because this was where everything came to a head - but there are just as many weaknesses in this one as in the other two. And just like the other two, the main problems are the plot and the characters (the dialogue is pretty bad, but not as bad as in Episodes 1 & 2).

Anakin's turn to the dark side is unconvincing – it was always going to be tricky to come up with a convincing reason for him to turn, I think the idea of him wanting to save Padme and the dark side being the only way to do it is an idea which sort of works, but it's not enough for him to turn his back on the Jedi who've basically raised him since the age of 8, on Obi-Wan who supposedly his best friend who he's been in numerous life-threatening situations with, and to start killing 'younglings' in cold blood. It doesn't help that as a character he's generally unconvincing, and that instead of being a flawed hero – brave, heroic, but tortured and impetuous – he's just a moaning, self-centred charisma void.

And this leads to another problem – when it happens, Anakin turning to the dark side and fighting Obi-Wan, and the Jedi being wiped out should feel like a tragedy, but although we realise it's supposed to be 'a bad thing', it's hard to feel anything because the characters are so under-developed and unlikeable that we don't really care about them. None of the other Jedi's characters have been established so when they're killed it has little impact. And Anakin v Obi-Wan doesn't have anything like the emotional impact it should have because although we're told they're supposed to be great friends, we've seen no evidence of it and Anakin in particular is so annoying it's hard to feel anything for him.

The way that the Yoda v Palpatine battle ends is bemusing. Yoda falls, but he's not apparently badly injured – yet he just walks off and goes into exile for 20 years. He doesn't retreat to try and come back stronger or rethink his strategy, he just disappears and basically gives up on the galaxy - it doesn't make any sense. For all he knows Obi-Wan could've killed Anakin and if he could defeat Palpatine, he could prevent the creation of the Empire – but no, he just couldn't be bothered.

The whole last act is so rushed, like Lucas suddenly realises that he needs to get all the characters in their places ready for Episode 4 – so Yoda is sent off into exile with no real explanation. The whole Padme dying of a broken heart thing has already been mentioned and is obviously stupid, and she should probably have died later on. But also, if they were trying to hide Luke, why send him to the planet his father came from, to the house that Anakin actually visited in the previous film? And why give Leia to a prominent politician who Palpatine would have known? It's never explained whether either Palpatine or Vader actually think that Luke and Leia died along with Padme – but if either of them suspected that they were still alive, they weren't hidden very well.

Overall Lucas tries too hard to make it 'dark' (just like he tried too hard to make Episode 1 'kid-friendly') – having Anakin kill the younglings is unecessary (and doesn't really ring true with the character, or the tone of the films as a whole), and we don't need to see him being burned in such graphic detail – he is trying too hard to make it 'dark' to make up for the lack of a convincing story and characters that we care about.

And the confrontation between Anakin and Obi-Wan, which should be the climactic moment of the trilogy, is too long and in the end descends into a confused mess. It might be brilliantly choreographed, but as the duel goes on, and they end up in ever more ridiculous situations, it loses credibility and you start to get bored. Having them floating along on that platform thing just didn't work, and when Obi-Wan jumps off why does it stop moving? If Anakin is controlling it with his mind or something, couldn't he have done that earlier, moved it towards safe ground and jumped off? The climax of the duel, when Anakin tries to jump over Obi-Wan, is not gripping or spectacular, it's just stilted and unconvincing – and it's hard to tell what actually happens at first. And then Obi-Wan's actions make no sense – Anakin is badly injured and hideously burned, but still alive. If he assumes he's going to die, wouldn't he put him out of his misery to save him suffering anymore? If he thinks he could survive, wouldn't he either try to help him, or finish him off just to make sure? Instead he just walks away – it makes no sense.

Like all of the prequel trilogy, I saw it once at the cinema but despite seeing bits of it occasionally when it's been on TV, I've felt no desire to watch it all the way through again, and I think that says a lot.

 

Revenge of the Sith was the most thrilling cinematic experience for me. Funny ... I enjoyed all the prequels at the cinema, but then my opinion crashed quickly afterwards. I can't tell if that's down to the internet telling me I shouldn't like them. I think that you need be in a very specific frame of mind when first viewing these films to get the most out of them? I'd already read the screenplays and seen all the production art before going into the cinema but still got a great big high out of them. Maybe, despite their story and acting downturns, to finally see them in completed live-action - no more rumours, just the real deal - after 3 years waiting, helped me overlook their problems and get fully immersed in the experience. Revenge of the Sith blew me away and I was gripping my seat leading up to and during the Mustafar duel.