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SPECULATION REY: "I'm no one." Odysseus said the same thing to the Cyclops Polyphemus in the ODYSSEY

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by WeWhoSurvived, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. WeWhoSurvived

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    Rey: "I'm no one."

    A seemingly insignificant phrase? Actually, it's very significant because it's a direct reference to Homer's Odyssey (Book IX). Odysseus says exactly the same phrase to escape death at the hands of the Cyclops Polyphemus. Odysseus used the phrase "I'm no one" as a clever deception that was the key for him and his crew to escape the evil Cyclops. I'm not asserting that Rey is saying this to get out of a situation...that Maz is the Cyclops. Not at all. I'm not making a direct situational correlation, but I do want to raise this as a metaphorical correlation that could inform us of how the filmmakers view Daisy Ridley's character and, potentially, what adventures are in store for her.

    I believe the filmmakers deliberately chose that line for this trailer to introduce Rey

    "I'm no one" is not merely a casual line of dialogue to indicate how humble or disconnected Rey is, although she might be those things, too. It's actually quite significant that we're introduced to Daisy Ridley's character by this first line of dialogue. She's not just "no one." Rey is definitely someone, and that someone is very, very special ... How special? On the order of magnitude of the hero Odysseus, the main figure of Homer's Iliad and its sequel, The Odyssey. That special.

    So What is the Significance of the Cyclopes in SW:TFA? Just Look...

    Take a closer look at Kylo Ren’s mask. One eye. Look at Phasma, the TIE pilots and all flavors of new Stormtroopers. The eye lenses are connected. In the original trilogy, the eye lenses were separated. This was a deliberate design change. Also:
    Brief Summary of the Story of Odysseus and the Cyclops (Cantina Notes Version, haha):

    Odysseus and his crew wander into a cave. The Cyclops Polyphemus then traps them in the cave by rolling a gigantic stone in front of the entrance behind them. The Cyclops then enters into conversation with them. Suddenly angered, the monstrous, one-eyed giant grabs two of the men as if they were rag dolls, slams them and crushes their brains, which are graphically dashed upon the cave rock. The Cyclops then tears the men to pieces and eats them.

    The remaining men are terrified. The Cyclops asks Odysseus his name; he can see he's their leader. Odysseus lies and tells the giant his name is "Οὖτις," translated from ancient Greek literally as "No one" or "Nobody" or "No man." For this piece of information, the Cyclops promises to eat this "Nobody" last, affording Odysseus time to prepare a wooden stake (a sharpened staff?) and a plan to escape from the Cyclops' cave. The Cyclops takes his time, gets drunk then falls to sleep. Odysseus uses the stake to stab the giant in the solo eye as he slept, blinding him. The Cyclops Polyphemus screams in agony and for aid from the other Cyclopes, shouting that "No one" has caused his pain. The other Cyclops believe Polyphemus is drunk, delusional, and wracked with anxiety. They suggest he pray to relinquish the pain. Odysseus' ruse worked.

    In pain and frustration without help of his comrade Cyclopes, the Cyclops Polyphemus schemed to murder Odysseus and the rest of his men. To do this, the Cyclops rolled away the stone at the entrance and guarded the exit, grabbing a huge stone, with which the giant would crush any man who attempted to run out. Odysseus knew the Cyclops will expect men to run out when the sheep attempt to leave the cave to go to pasture. But instead of running, Odysseus and his men each hang from the belly of a sheep and hidden by sheep on either side so the Cyclops could not detect their footsteps. Odysseus and his men escape the cave and leave a blinded Cyclops wandering aimlessly on the island for the men who so hurt him.

    As Odysseus and his crew embark from the shore and are at a safe distance, Odysseus taunts the Cyclops in anger:

    "‘Cyclops,’ said I, ‘you should have taken better measure of your man before eating up his comrades in your cave. You wretch, do you intend by violence to eat up your visitors in your own cave? You might have known that your derangement would find you out, and now Zeus and the other gods have punished you.’
    The Cyclops became even more furious and tore off the top of the mountain, flinging it at the ship but narrowly missing. The crew rowed for their very lives. Odysseus jeered at the Cyclops once more:

    "Cyclops, if any one asks you who it was that put your eye out and spoiled your beauty, say it was the valiant warrior Odysseus, son of Laertes, who lives in Ithaca.’"
    At this, the Cyclops groaned and said:

    "Alas, alas, then the old prophecy about me is coming true. There was a seer [mantis] here, at one time, a man both brave and of great stature, Telemos son of Eurymos, who was an excellent seer, and did all the prophesying for the Cyclopes till he grew old; he told me that all this would happen to me some day, and said I should lose my sight by the hand of Odysseus. I have been all along expecting some one of imposing presence and superhuman strength, whereas he turns out to be a little insignificant weakling, who has managed to blind my eye by taking advantage of me in my drink; come here, then, Odysseus, that I may make you presents to show my hospitality, and urge Poseidon to help you forward on your journey - for Poseidon and I are father and son. He, if he so will, shall heal me, which no one else neither god nor man can do."
    Odysseus replied:

    "I wish I could be as sure of killing you outright and sending you down to the house of Hades, as I am that it will take more than Poseidon to cure that eye of yours."


     
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    I believe her saying"I'm no one." implies that she has no identity,or rather doesn't know it as of yet.

    She is searching for it as much as she is searching things in the past.
     
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    Absolutely. She is certainly searching for her identity. But guess what, Odysseus also said it. And did you read what I wrote in the first paragraph? "I'm not asserting that Rey is saying this to get out of a situation...that Maz is the Cyclops. Not at all. I'm not making a direct situational correlation, but I do want to raise this as a metaphorical correlation that could inform us of how the filmmakers view Daisy Ridley's character and, potentially, what adventures are in store for her."
     
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    Yes and I agree totally.
     
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    I said it about three weeks ago :p
     
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    Good. And I love spoiled blue milk. :)
     
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    I know you're joking, but this is actually a good point. OP is applying a fable/parable to those words, when it's not necessarily relevant at all.

    Of course Rey isn't 'no one', but that doesn't mean we should all read the odyssey because those words were written in there. They were written in many books no doubt- before and after the odyssey was written.

    OP, do we/you have information that the writers were inspired by the odyssey when they wrote that line.
     
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    I'm not saying you have to read the Odyssey, dude. Please read the post again. Now that you've read it, you now have the information within you. I admire your skepticism, sure, but you're not seeing the big picture. It's Homer's Odyssey. It's Odysseus (aka Ulysses), one of the greatest heroes in all of literature. And that's Rey. She just said something a great hero said. Before you saw this post, you had no idea her dialogue meant something because it had reference to classical mythology. Now you do. It's actually up to you to prove it's in other films to attempt to dilute the impact of this revelation. I'd actually be interested to see what other epic films that EXACT LINE OF DIALOGUE is in. Cheers.
     
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    As a World Literature graduate, who had one of the greatest teachers of Ancient Greek Literature, I agree that teachers are awesome and I love this connection. It is interesting, and Rey could have her The Odyssey during this movie.

    But, like @Bluemilk said, it's the odyssey in search for her identity. By the end of this movie 'no one' should become 'someone'. And, someone fairly important for us and for the Saga. :)
     
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    I did read it and I'm not remotely convinced by your opinion. 'I am no one' is a sentence I've used my self in my own life.
    But let's presume, for the sake of argument, that they did reference The Odyssey, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a reflection on Rey's character as a whole. A nobody becoming a hero is not a unique concept.
    Of course, you may be 100% right. I can't prove otherwise, well not until we see the film/trilogy. But that doesn't mean anything you've presented supports your premise that there is a connection between Rey saying it and Odysseus saying it. Maybe they just liked the line.
     
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    Thanks for your input Assy McGee.
     
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    I think your premise is worth exploring and I suspect it's not too far removed from the journey ahead. I try to apply reason and logic whenever I can and sometimes there may be no reason and logic to be applied. So I could be totally wrong and you'll win all the internets. :)
     
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    Who was your Ancient Greek Lit professor? I am suddenly curious. :D
     
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    Hold the press though.......we are assuming these two are having a conversation. What if these are two lines from separate conversations? She could very well be using this as a means of escape. I just have a hard time believing everything is as it seems in these trailers. On that note, there is something we don't know about Finn.
     
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    I doubt you've heard of a Belgrade professor, but his name is Vladeta Janković. When he was younger, he used to take students to Greece, had picnics under the Acropolis and taught the Greek myths there. It was before my time, but he was a brilliant teacher and even people who weren't students at the University used to come to listen to him, because lectures were opened to public. Those were my favorite lectures. :)
     
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    Picnics at the Acropolis. Very cool. The same Vladeta Janković on Wikipedia? Belgrade...that's Novak Djokovic territory. World #1. :)
     
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    Yes, but I think English Wiki page has only short article about political stuff. He is much more known as professor and author. He used to make this cool TV show called Myths and Legends.

    Ah, Nole, yes! He is having a great year. :)
     
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    i think she secretly knows who she is. But judging by the way she looks at the ship fly away from Jakku makes me think she didn't pick her solitary lifestyle herself.
     
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    I can't help but agree. She's torn. Although we've seen emotions in her, we've also seen mad skills. We've also seen blank slate of character and you can't help but think what else does she have up her sleeve? But also what other emotional baggage does she have? Perhaps this is all crafted as a method to draw us in to her vulnerability. But to the filmmaker's credit, in the teasers and trailer they've depicted both Rey and Finn with an equanimity in strength, prowess and the dramatic emotional lows we've seen, so that the female's "crying" isn't any more sensational than the male's "panic." They're both painted as quite vulnerable, courageous and human in their own ways. They'll succeed if they can demonstrate the character is pulled and pushed from outside and in but that there's an area where the character exercises his or her will to choose and not be acted upon. Acted upon as in manipulated or captured...we know both will happen to Rey...but the triumph in her character will be using her intuition and resourcefulness to come out on top. That will be awesome to see whether or not she turns to the dark side and joins the Knights of Ren.
     
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    What if "no one" is like, a state of mind, man?! Ya know...
     
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