SPECULATION Rey - public opinion poll

But she had a lot of practice with a flying simulator.

She didn't really fight well in TFA. Furthermore she once again had training. => staff

 

Okay. So what a scavenger does is that they find a part, clean it and sell it. She grew up around a Star Destroyer. She has to take out a part, inspect it and decide if its valuable or not. How do you explain all the pilots we see in the OT and the PT. How do you explain how good of a pilot Han Solo is? lol

 

People need to learn a little about show don't tell. I encourage anyone that has not seen this video to give it a watch. Points out all the great development TFA did with Rey in comparison to the more exposition based development they did with Jyn in Rogue. Jump to 1:11 for the really telling bits.

 

if im honest I don't really feel like I know Rey yet.

• In the Force Awakens she was set up as a mystery "whose the girl" so the story deliberately didn't delve too deeply into her character.
• In the Last Jedi she is trying to find her place in the galaxy and the story so her character felt like it was sort of in flux.

I wouldn't say I dislike her, but i just don't really feel i know her, why she is fighting, what she wants..... It feels like the writers have tried to keep the options open with were they want to take the character so havn't really given the character enough definition.

hopefully in episode 9 the character will have grown into her own a bit more and feel a bit more defined.

 

I like Rey. But I like every young good-looking female protagonist, so that doesn't count for much.
Looking objectively, Rey was designed to be a relatable character to young/teenage girls. At the beginning she is a very lonely girl living a very sad and monotonous life with very little joy (mostly just her flight simulator). Then, suddenly, she embarks on a grand adventure, discoveres her inner power and finds her place in life. I think she is meant to be a female Luke from Ep.IV (of sorts), but after writing all this, she reminds me a lot more of Harry Potter.

 

i thought she was pretty cool to see when I was younger and watching The Force Awakens, yes I do agree that there are some parts about her character that can fall under the Mary Sue title but a lot of others do too, she is not my immediate favorite but she is honestly an okay character that I hope to learn even more about when the new movie comes out

 

I feel the Mary Sue arguments have some merit but I think there is more to her character than what she is given credit for. Daisy Ridley gives such a great
performance that I can forgive some of the writing flaws.

Anakin and Luke both had some Mary Sue qualities as well. Anakin was able to win a race in which no other human could compete. And Luke was able to blow up the Death Star in his first space battle.

One problem with Rey's character is that much of her development came before we see her in the film. We know now that she was abandoned by junk traders and was left on her own to survive. All those years spent fighting to survive on Jakku probably prepared her to become a jedi. I theorize that spirits of past jedi have been guiding her without her realizing it. We learn that she is a compassionate person when she refuses to sell BB8. This kind of compassion along with other qualities would make her a good vessel through which the Force can work. We learn from Snoke that she is the Light to meet the Darkness of Kylo Ren.

The Skywalkers have screwed up the galaxy pretty bad. So Rey is the hero the galaxy needs but not the one it deserves right now.

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It should be noted that TLJ gives an explanation for why she won the fight. Ben Solo became unbalanced when he committed patricide.

 

I think Daisy Ridley plays Rey very well in that she is likeable and believable in the role. But I feel Rey was wasted in TLJ as Kylo Ren has become the more interesting character. It's sort of ironic that Lucasfilm/Disney has made an effort to have more 'stronger' women in the Post-Lucas movies, yet they are written so badly. Holdo, Rose, Maz, and Phasma are all characters with potential, but just undeveloped in different ways.

-Phasma could have been such a cool character (as the books flesh her out as someone who deserted them in TFA by turning off the shields), but they dropped the ball with her in both movies.

-Holdo's final moment of taking out the fleet in that climatic moment of hyperspace could have been epic, if we actually cared about her. But she is in the movie for 45 minutes, she dresses down Poe, and that's about it. I still think that would have been a great ending for Leia, but that's another argument.

-Rose isn't as bad as everyone says as I think she gets too much hate. But the whole kiss at the end with Finn just comes out of nowhere, and again it is just something they didn't develop enough for a payoff.

-The whole Maz subplot in TLJ was just odd and came off as just trying to shoehorn her into the story.

Disney/Lucasfilm has to learn that JUST having strong women in these movies won't mean they will resonate with the fans. They have to be developed and have to be memorable in some way. These are all forgettable characters when it is all said and done.

 

Besides having the force Rey has no reason to be in the story. Finn has been the hero without the force. Meanwhile Rey comes off as a show off. All we do is marvel at her skills, but they are for her, and except for moving some boulders she hasn't done much to help anybody. She isn't the hero, and they need to stop trying to promote her as such.

 

"You have no place in this story. You're nothing... But not to me." - Kylo Ren
There you have the reason for her being in the story.

She brought Luke back and tried (and will keep going) to bring Kylo/Ben back too.

 

Come on, she has saved Finn’s ass a couple of times. (Rathtars, snow fight, Falcon shooting on Crait). How easy do we forget...

 

Doesn't sound like the hero to me. Heroes make sacrifices. What did she sacrifice?
If she is only in the movie to bring the bad guy back then she isn't the hero.

That's not heroic. Hero is about leaving your comfort zone to do something bigger than yourself. That's not Rey. We thought that's what we were getting with her, but we haven't. She hasn't been the character to put her life on the line for others. Helping me when we are together is not a hero. Going out of your way to help me knowing you can get hurt or die is a hero. That's sacrifice. Between Rey and Finn who has sacrificed more?

 

Every hero has to achieve one goal. Rey's goal is to restore balance and bring Ben Solo back. I don't see why she shouldn't be a heroine then...

Did you even watch TFA? She didn't want to leave Jakku or she always wanted to go back to Jakku. But then she left her comfort zone by deciding she has to forget Jakku and later in the second movie her parents. Only because she realised it's not about her, but about the galaxy.

What is a hero exactly? For some people Superman is a hero. For other people a hero can also be a single mother who is able to do everything just for her kid.

 

I disagree and don't understand how you dont see her as heroic. Whether you like her personality or development in The Sequels thus far, she has been very heroic.
-Protecting BB8 and joining Finn to get BB8 back to the Resistance
-not rejecting the will of The Force and stepping up to be the first of the new Jedi
-saving the last of The Resistance on Crait

 

absolutely!

might get some raised eyebrows to this, but one could even say that Kylo Ren is heroic.. for fighting back against his abuser

 

This has nothing to do with like or dislike. This has everything to do with one's actions. Between her and Finn it's not even close. I don't know why this is even a discussion. She hasn't been asked to give of herself as much as Finn has, and he has had a greater impact on the story than she has. It's based on choices and actions. That's what makes a hero. Being super powered doesn't automatically make one a superhero.... Just like Luke having the force and a light saber didn't make him a Jedi.

Protecting BB8 and saving herself and Finn has been her biggest accomplishments, but she didn't give up anything to do it.
What did Finn give up compared to Rey?
Finn gave up his freedom, and almost his life to help Rey and the Resistance
All Rey gave up was the belief that her family was coming back for her.
You don't see the difference?

As far Rey getting the Resistance out by moving the rocks, that was another display of look at how powerful I am, but she didn't sacrifice anything. Rey has been doing that two movies in so far. We are supposed to be amazed at her ability, but other than that we haven't been given anything else.

 

I don't even know what's your problem. Both - Rey and Finn - are main characters and they are portrayed like heroes... A hero (at least in movies) is someone who is putting his own life at great risk, for the greater good of others. Rey and Finn both risked their lifes several times. Rey even more than Finn. You have to keep in mind Finn wanted to run away (in both movies!) => so not putting his life at risk at all...

 

Interesting. Then Luke in ROTJ isn't a hero either, because that was exactly what he did.

I suppose Rey giving herself up to Snoke was not risky either.

 

You should know that's not a good argument, and you know why.
George actually showed Luke spending time with the Rebels. He was speaking to them on a first name basis. Can't say the same for Rey who has only been shown to have a relationship with Finn. Anything else, including Rey hugging Leia is not the same.

Rey going to Snoke was an embarrasment. One of the worse decisions a character could make. I lost all respect for the character after that, and I wish that wasn't the case, because I was interested in her after TFA. After TLJ I could care less what she does. Too much arrogance just because she has power.

 

do you think that Luke should have tried to save his nephew?