Rey's Love Interest?

Yes they are tragic.
As it should be. Why should he be redeemed other than for the warm and fuzzies of it?

Some people die for nothing. It happens.
Luke did what he could. The best any one man could do and held it for 30 years.
Again, it happens. Anakin's redemption saved the galaxy for 30 years.

You are tying everything into this Ben redemption thing.
They are not as connected. The balance of things is in constant ebb and flow.
It was good for 30, now expect some bad.

--- Double Post Merged, May 2, 2017, Original Post Date: May 2, 2017 ---

I promise you guys it doesn't mean they failed. It mean life goes on.
If the PT came out before the OT, we'd all be saying Obi-Wan sucked and he failed because Anakin survives as Darth Vader

 

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Jinxes are fake news.

LucasFilm should employ us. #lBenOrganaSoloSupportSquad (or BOSSS for short.)

 

to quote another stormtrooper: "because it's the right thing to do".

also, because it's what KK said we're getting.
there will be no dark tragic dystopia.
this is a fairy tale.

good call including that Organa in there. wouldn't want to be the BS Support Squad ~ hahahaha

 

And the tale isn't over. Let him actually grow.
I want to see a villain like Vader or Kylo at peak evil. In the movies.

We got denied that with Vader. Now we wet our pants at a 4 minute scene at the end of a spin off flick where FINALLY goes full Vader....

You want that with Ben too? Let him have his chance to join the villain pantheon.

 

It's even worse than that - the core message of the previous 6 films will be chewed up and spat out. The hero of this trilogy will have achieved less than the hero of the previous trilogy. And it will be a dour rehash of the fall of Anakin Skywalker without even a glimmer of hope.

No thanks!

 

So if the PT came out first, the OT wouldn't matter? Come on.

 

So long as it is kept in that order. The SOB Support Squad isn't appropriate either!


Edit: Wait. I rushed in. That doesn't work. Ignore me.

 

We all know that the world is full of chance and anarchy,
so yes it's true to life for characters to die randomly
But news flash,
THE GENRE'S CALLED FANTASY
It's meant to be unrealistic, you myopic manatee

- J R R Tolkien

 

wet our pants? maybe you did ~ hahahaha

look, i love Darth Vader. always have. but he's just a villain. the Emperor's dog.
all this chosen one business and the way people have built him up in their heads have nothing to do with his status as a virtual slave to the Empire under Palpatine.
his real power is in his redemption.

Kylo Ren has already done the most despicable thing he could possibly do. he killed his father. he killed Han Solo. it's enough.
we probably will see him be all you want and more in TLJ, but he's still going to come home.
Reylo or no, he's going to choose the Light.

 

I object to you called Leia a "B" (g'damn censorship).

SHE'S A QUEEN.

And she's going to rain hell's rage on Benny boy's arse and it's going to be glorious. You've gotta pity the lad.

 

Ah yes, dropping the insults. Quality debate strategy. Let's see how that works out.

And the story doesn't end after 9.
The oldest new actor is Oscar Isaac at 38. Driver is 33. Boyega and Ridley are 25.

They will get more than 3 movies out of them.

 

I don't follow...

 

The good guys lost in the PT. Anakin survives. Becomes Darth Vader and helps the Emperor take over.

Based on your logic, if he isn't redeemed right away, it ruins everything and it can never be salvaged.

Or there's more to the story beyond episode 9

 

awww now ~ i kinda think she won't.
neither of them need that.

 

I was just quoting J R R's line from that Epic Rap Battles of History thingy. It was all meant in good fun. I hope you weren't actually insulted. :\

 

So you're saying he will be redeemed but in the unannounced second sequel trilogy?
Well, that wouldn't be the end of the world. I just can't see there being another Skywalker trilogy.
And I don't see Driver signing up for another 3 films. But sure, if that happens - if Kylo Ren survives this trilogy and can be redeemed later - fine...though I'd have hoped Leia could've been around to see the beginning (or end) of her son's redemption. Over 6 films it would also be a bit rehashy.

 

I think you're missing the integral theme of Star Wars. It's optimism.

The only reason the PT worked at all was because you know what's going to happen in the OT. If the prequels came before the OT, the ending would have been universally panned. It's basically like leaving half a song unsung. Well written stories need a beginning, middle and an end. Anakin's fall doesn't work as an ending- it offers no closure, no sense of completion. It instead is very firmly in the Act 2 of the overall story.

Anakin's rise, Anakin's fall, Anakin's redemption.

 

yeah, i agree on all counts.
i'd be surprised if Driver was willing to do more than make a cameo in another trilogy--he was reluctant to make this one in the first place.
also, stringing an audience along for three movies is okay. stringing them for six is really pushing it.
this ST has to have a definitive end, and it's not going to be in the Dark.
fingers crossed that Ben comes home in TLJ so he and his mother can at least have one moment of screen time to bring the house down.
that's my most earnest wish.

 

I'm saving up my tears eight months in advance for this exact moment so I can actually flood the cinema.

 

You know what I'd like to happen?

Rey and Ben to save Leia at the end of TLJ and escape on a ship.
But then the ending is of ship being shot down and crashing on some distant world. Leia dies but in her sons arms.
Start episode IX with Rey and Ben stranded on a dangerous planet, hunted by the FO, relying upon one another to survive - getting to know each other.