SPECULATION Snoke’s Real Identity (Poll)

14:00 is a biiiiiiiit early for me...

again, the thought of a proclaimed dead, marginal character coming back to life and entering into the story with a false identity is as silly as the idea that Rey is somehow a Solo (don't even get me started on Rey Kenobi).

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also, does anyone really want or need a, "I am your great-grandfather!" reveal?

 

Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down,
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there,
I'll tell you how I became the Supreme Leader of the First Order...

 

While I think that Snoke will most likely be a new character from the Unknown Regions, I would not mind if he turned out to be Plagueis.

 

WARNING POTENTIAL STUPID QUESTION ALERT - how much of plageuis story is actually official canon? Do we know much more about him other than what was said by sidious to anakin (that is official)? Pardon my ignorance.

I like the idea of Snoke being his own character as long as his story/motives are strong enough. I'd rather not see another dooku, grievous or maul scenario where they were effectively just faceless evil incarnate. I am aware they were just secondary characters but still. What made the emperor and Vader so effective as villains was the complexity to their characters.

I want that from snoke. However if they can tie in his story with plagueis without an hour of exposition and convoluted plot I'd be quite happy. Plagueis was only mentioned as a passing fancy anyway. There'd literally be very little difference between announcing snoke as plagueis or creating his own new personal history. Plagueis from my Knowledge is ambiguous enough. Provided it wasn't done as some big wow factor reveal, because it just wouldn't have any effect. The die hard fans have been discussing it to death since the character was announced and the casual fans wouldn't have a clue.

I'd rather he be original but I wouldn't be too disappointed if they did happen to go down the plagueis route, provided they do it as mentioned above.

 

JarJar or Donald Trump what else.

 

They got rid of a ton of Plagz history when they abolished the Extended Universe (EU). He used to be a Muun that created Anakin via manipulating midiclorians. This is no longer canon and it remains a controversial point among hard core fans. Many assume snoke is old plagz back at it again; he definitely seems to have some of the hallmarks, but there has been confirmation that Snoke is a new character. Check out wookiepedia for canon and "legends" (EU) breakdowns on who Plagz was. You'll find that despite the "legend" of Darth Plagueis the Wise, he was actually Palpatine's master; that's canon.

 

Thanks for the info

 

The beauty of Plagueis is that he can essentially be a completely new characater with whatever personality & traits LFL want him to have - and at the same time be tied beautifully into the story of Darth Vader.

 

As stated above there is very little canon information on Plagueis. There is what we learn about in ROTS that he is Palps master whom Palps killed. There is also a brief mention in the Tarkin novel. I believe that in the Tarkin novel there is reference to Plagueis trying to manipulate the Force and that it was thought that the Force’s reaction to that was the creation of Anakin (if I remember correctly as it has been awhile since I read it). However, this kills the Plagueis is Anakin’s father theories. And anyways, Plagueis is dead.

 

As @JediMasterRobert and I have mentioned on other threads, Snoke is the one who Plagueis cared about and saved from death... It is so obvious to me and I can't believe this possibility hasn't gained more traction.

@JediMasterRobert is the wisest (see what I did there?) member on these forums, so it must be true...

 

Taking my Plagueis hat off, I've always wondered whether Snoke is a Dorian Gray type character. We know JJ wanted Snoke to be a formally beautiful being that was corrupted by the dark side so what if he was like this but and at some point turned to the dark side to keep himself beautiful? Then when Anakin brought balance, the destruction of the Dark Side "broke the spell" and his appearance then matched that of his soul.

 

To complete this series, it would only make sense for Plagueis to be Snoke. How would we spend 4 decades of Star wars thinking Palps was the ultimate bad guy, to just turn around and have a new guy that's more powerful than him show up after the fall of the empire? Makes no sense to me. Why even mention Plagueis in ep.III? (Just to try and trick Anakan I suppose you'll say) If it wasn't setting up Plags master plan to take over the galaxy in the end? Palps over confidence was his weakness. I say he was over confident thinking he killed his former master. Having this scene in RotJ shows us that Palps can't always see the future that's even right in front of him...

. To make up a new ultimate badie and just shoehorn him into the end of a wonderful story could be what they did, but I still want to keep the Plagueis theory alive just a few more days.......# Plagueis the Wise Lives (with scars from the past and all)

 

Why would Plagz, a clearly gifted Sith master, allow for his pupil to "kill" him and begin training other Sith?

Plagz was as seemingly onboard with the rule of 2 as any Sith. Palps "killing" him and training more would have broken that rule. you would hope that when you slight a Sith master and arrogantly think you killed them they would be on your case with a hot load of vengeance. Just look at the way Palps and Vader behave in the new comics: they are not to trifled with.

If Plagz is the ultimate, prodigal villain come home again, wouldn't he have had something to say this whole time?

To any arguments that he's been "healing" from Palps' assassination attempt, allow me to remind you that Anakin, burnt to a crisp and missing some limbs, was back in action in no time. Healing in Star Wars is done in months, not decades.

I think it's funny that people who gripe about Snoke coming out of left field are totally ok with the glaring absence of Plagz for the past 30-50 years. Somehow it's not ok to shoehorn a new villain in unless, of course, it's Plagz as that will be magically perfect. It just shows a dearth of imagination.

 

I love you.

The answers are in the DP novel. Plagueis was planning for his own demise and said he knew sidious had to be the one to take over.

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The Plagueis story would be:

- Trained Sidious to take over while he controlled things behind the scenes.
- Realises Sidious is looking to destroy him and so plans for his own demise.
- Sidious "kills him" - he survives but is badly damaged.
- Heals behind the scenes while Sidious takes over. Eventually DP plans to wait until Vader kills his master and then DP will show up. Vader's power can help him become fully healed again and by this time he can rule the galaxy without a need for a public face like Palpatine.
- Tragedy occurs and Anakin returns and kills the Sith. The dark side is diminished and Plagueis is vulnerable.
- Plagueis has led the remnants of the Empire to him (planned all along) and takes over them.
- Calls himself Snoke, corrupts Ben Solo (to use him as he would've Vader) and looks to empower the dark side again (cause imbalance) to regain his power.
- With Ben he plans to go beyond what Palpatine achieved and dominate the force itself.

Beautiful.

Or he is just some new guy that has been behind the scenes and is like Plagueis in every way possible.

Not so beautiful.

 

Oh, the DP novel that isn't canon anymore? Interesting stuff!

I'm actively developing a theory that Snoke is the storm trooper Han trips in the Star Wars Holiday Special. Stay tuned!

 

Being canon or not is irrelevant. You asked why he would've let Sidious kill him. I'm just saying the answer to that is in the novel.

 

I'm #plagueis and #reysolo.....guess I'm f#%%ked

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But it would tho

 

I think it's very simple: Snoke was once, between AOTC and ROTS, a padawan learner who was expelled from the jedi order before completing his education. My guess is that, like Anakin, he was something of a loose canon who often questioned the defensive and conservative attitude that the jedis had. He was probably expelled because of some daring and stupid decision during a mission related to the clone war where he exposed his master and others to danger. He may even get his head injury in connection with this failed mission.

After the expulsion, the angry, depressed and deformed Snoke develops an intense hatred against the jedi order and begins to think of simply starting his own order where it is okay to bend the rules, take huge risks and also take advantage of the dark side.The latter does not mean that Snoke became a sith or even sympathized with them.

When the jedis were almost completely extinct, Snoke flew to a distant and poor planet. Even if he was not actually a jedi, he realized that it was better to leave than to take an unnecessary risk. Well, on this planet, he got a "real job" but lived mostly a lonely and isolated life where he often and gladly studied several of the writings and study books he stole from the jedi temple after he was expelled. During this period, between ROTS and ROTJ, he got a lot of info about the empire, which was barely noticed where he lived, talking with traveling merchants and pilots.

When the empire fell it did not surprise Snoke. His studies had led him to realize that both the jedis and the siths were wrong: one must use both the light and the dark side for the Force to work optimally. Anyway, several officers and leaders in the empire fled to Snoke's planet because of its isolation. As soon as Snoke heard about this, he sought them up and managed to become some sort of leader for them. This laid the foundation for the first order. What do you think?

 

I think the reason Plaps kills DP is because it was the way of the Sith. DP really didn't need any planning for it nor a novel to state it. If and when Plaps became powerful enough to usurp DP, then it would happen. Just the Rule of Two. Referencing the book is pretty irrelevant (IMO) given that is not canon any more. Plus, if we do reference, lets not forget he was also a Munn. If we use Thrawn as a re-canonization example, he was red eyed, blue Chiss before and he still is now. I don't believe the new book really contradicted the old material in anyway If they decided to bring more DP info into canon, it's a good possibility they would folllow the same and he would still be the same Munn .

LFL could have reused DP for the Villain in ST, their is no question about that, or Bane, or Revan, or basically any previous villain. Given the young, imaginative talent and returning seasoned professional, I think they wanted to come up with something new and fresh, to move the story forward instead of reusing a previously mentioned bad guy, that was also stated to be dead. Either way, for they general public and fans alike, there would need to be some explaining of the villain because neither one has been around for the past 70 plus years and has been hiding. So why not try to come up with something new. Which is what I think most professional directors would want to do instead of using previous villains that has already been made up. I think DP could be great in a prequel-esc type movie or a new novel, but not in the ST. It would marginalize Palps to much and DP himself.