Snoke is a fallen Angel

Damn, angels are Canon.

 

Fallen angel who fell on his head, and I mean directly.



Unfortunately as we see it this kind of stuff has got itself ahead of Plagueis theory. Because Plagueis is denied by official, pablo Hidalgo.

Good work Pablo.

Indeed the days of Star Wars as we know them could be numbered.

 

...Did you just put Harry's scar on pseudo-Voldemort's head? And besides, we've been melding the two theories together.

 

I don't think we have to worry about the central Star Wars saga becoming an analog of the story of the Messiah. Keep in mind that Star Wars has always borrowed from different mythologies, religions and philosophies. To have a bit of Judeo-Christian lore won't ruin Star Wars so long as the Lucasfilm story team do not let that take over. Also keep in mind that the concept of The Force itself is heavily influenced by Animism and various Eastern philosophies, especially Taoism. But most of all it was influenced by the experimental film 21-87. If that number sounds familiar, it's all over Lucas' work. It's also part of Finn's stormtrooper designation.

I really like what @JediMasterRobert had to say about this.

Multiple people have referred to Rian Johnson's story as "weird". With Luke searching for the origins of the Jedi and JJ saying that he wanted to get back to The Force's spirituality, I fully expect the next two films in the trilogy to dive deep into spiritual, mythological, and philosophical ideas. Like Star Wars does so well, it will use references and analogies without being too specific.

How will all of that fit in with Snoke being a fallen angel, though? I think the idea of Snoke literally being an Angel of Iego is a brilliant analogy to the idea of an angel fallen from grace. I think it also fits brilliantly with the possibility of him having been a Jedi or other light-sider. I think it's an especially interesting idea if Snoke is a follower of the Rogue Jedi @JediMasterRobert referenced. This trilogy seems to be about emphasizing balance in the Force. Perhaps Snoke thinks balance comes about via practicing philosophies from both sides of The Force. Light and Dark. The idea of a powerful Dark Side villain who is not a Sith and originated from the Light is my favorite theory regarding Snoke. I personally think he was close the the Skywalkers, someone they knew and trusted. Someone old and wise.

It also works if Rian Johnson goes down Darth Plagueis route. It would be a great way to appease the DP fans out there and all it would take is one line from him. "I was a powerful Sith Lord once, but not any more. Not after I was betrayed..." or something like that. A minimum amount of exposition is needed for it and it would tell us so much about Snoke. He had so much power and yet fell from grace at the hands of his apprentice. It also fits with the idea of balancing Light and Dark.

I guess we'll find out in a little less than 2 years.

 

Maz Kanata says: " I have seen same evil taking different shapes: The Sith, The Empire, and now its the First Order"

Now the First form of the same evil she mentions - the Sith,

and Second form of same evil - the Empire , are both result of Sith activity and we know that.

They are the same.

And now the Third incarnation of same evil is result of, as you propose - of non-Sith, of the Fallen angel ?

Snoke probabaly is not Plagueis, but I find organic flaw in Fallen angle and in fact in all non-Sith explanation of the evil that is in the new trilogy , sorry.

Or Pablo and others should check what are the characters in the film saying.. and correct such massive and obvious contradicitions.

 

Interesting..... I am trying to form a backstory of a character for my SW EU stories. Just doing it for fun cause I love writing. I was thinking of introducing a woman...who is a hybrid...human and half of something ...alien. Not as dangerous and disturbing as the one from "Species" but I like the idea of her being a force user, but is neither a Jedi or Sith. I like to explore the whole grey area side between the light and darkness. She'll have a force bond possibly with a former member of the knights of Ren. Now I was thinking of her being in league with Snoke somehow...I dunno. him having a daughter or something *shrugs* not sure... anyway, someone did say I could incorporate her as being an angel of lego but eh I dunno. I don't know much about them honestly...so I dunno. If anyone has any suggestions...let me know

I don't mind Snoke possibly being a fallen angel himself...but I'll keep an open mind about how they'll expand his backstory...

 

Please . The First Order is same evil as Sith and the Palpatines/Vader's empire, said by Maz Kanata in episode VII..

We are talking about First Order....behind First Order is the same evil that Maz withnessed for the last 1000 years of her life.

This debate, after Snoke confirmed not to be Plagueis, unfortunately has lost in quality.

Do not be offended please, I give you credit for proving undoubtedly that Snoke isn't Plagueis in Pablos reply to you, but after this debate is lost in space and time.

Which shows the wider consequences because of arbitrary decision Snoke to be, story-wise, something inferior to Plagueis.

 

sorry, but that's a logical fallacy.

the FO is using Dark Force technology ~ that's what makes it the same. not because it is necessarily Sith.

 

I hated when Lucas even mentioned this in Phantom Menace, it is literally the part of the movie that to me is most cringe worthy. if this were true, I would throw popcorn at the movie, then walk out, and never come back. Leave my faith out of a star wars movie please.

This is an idea that would be laughed at by most, and offend the rest.

Sorry for the diatribe.

 

Yes, Maz simply meant that they are evil, the same kind of evil, not that they are the same.

 

Dark force Technology. whatayaknow

of the Fallen Angels


I stay behind my statement, the debate about Snoke has lost quality .

EDIT- of course I cant rule out possibility that OP has indeed found the shocking truth about Disney's decision who Snoke will be, in which case this debate reflects the status in which the Star Wars have been brought by that decision.

 

All that Pablo has said is that Snoke is not a Sith. That doesn't rule out the notion that he wasn't once a Sith.
I'd also add in light of posts above that anyone that commits evil is acting on behalf of the Dark Side - whether they be Force users or not.

Anyway, to the thread at hand! I'm thinking that Disney might not want to reintroduce characters or species from the Clone Wars but could perhaps borrow ideas (Mortis/Angels) - and I've been thinking for a while that the Whills could be involved. So instead of being a fallen angel, perhaps if the worst comes to the worse and Snoke isn't Plagueis then he could be a Whill?

The Whills appear after all to predate the Jedi (and Sith). Perhaps Snoke was a Whill who grew weary of the constant conflict between the Jedi and Sith? Perhaps they once predicted that a Chosen One would finally bring balance but when this was short lived, Snoke leaves the Order of the Whills and decides to take matters into his own hands - and seeks to destroy the Jedi and in doing this prevent the Sith from ever returning (as the Sith can only really reemerge from a fallen Jedi)?

This funnily enough, mirrors the Mortis story, as I have just been reading, where the Mortis Son seeks to destroy the Jedi and Sith to bring balance.

Just an idea. I prefer Plagueis as this all feels too out there for a Star Wars film...

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I've always connected Luke's search for the first Jedi Temple with the Whills as well, so maybe Luke seeks it out to find more about Snoke - The Evil Whill?

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"Originally, I was trying to have the story be told by somebody else (an immortal being known as a Whill); there was somebody watching this whole story and recording it, somebody probably wiser than the mortal players in the actual events. I eventually dropped this idea, and the concepts behind the Whills turned into the Force. But the Whills became part of this massive amount of notes, quotes, background information that I used for the scripts; the stories were actually taken from the Journal of the Whills."
―George Lucas[src]

 

The Lucas was,just as many others, probably influenced by Tolkien. In Tolkien world there are Ainur, and they have sent their "shamans" known as Istar and they are all immortals.

But still, again if we look Snoke appearance he has been severily injured and he is barely alive, zombie alike. A being of the cathegory we are trying to imply into a story, Wills, Fallen angels, those are the beings of higher order,transcendenting material and spiritual world, and have much more capacity to heal their bodies than mortals. Sure they would not cary their wounds around for thousands of years.

 

Maybe not if they turned evil...?

 

So being evil brings devine punishment even in Star Wars?

To much Abrahamic for such film.

In a way Lucas Force was more like Budhist view of the world, neutral, duality.

This looks like a drift to Abrahamic tradition, fallen angels, Wills, punishment.

 

I'm going

But Lucas stated pretty early on how the Sith couldn't attain immortality. I've always felt that was the right choice. Evil doers shouldn't be able to attain the ultimate power. Just a corrupted form of it.

 

has evil not always been punished in Star Wars?

the "Abrahamic" tradition is already embraced by the saga.

 

From the time I was 8 and I first sough Star Wars, to this day, an evil Sith are beating the Jedi all around, overtaking their positions, and chasing the last Jedi's few times repeatedly. Only punisment they got is by killing each other, which is inevitable otherwise they will rule the Universe and balance will be impossible.