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Snoke/Kylo story about Rey parents does not hold.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Dec 26, 2017.

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Rey' parents sold her for drink than died.

Poll closed Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Its had story

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  2. Undecided.

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  3. Its a good story.

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  4. 2 drunkards ?, we dont need thats scum in Star Wars

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  1. master_shaitan

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    This.

    Plus: we’re going by a vague and mysterious Force vision as to what happened to her parents - anything could’ve happened to that ship her parents allegedly left on. They could’ve been buried on another desert world.

    Selling her to Plutt makes perfect sense. Why else would she have been left with him of all people? That never made sense to me until I watched TLJ. Why would he buy her? She could get into small places other scavengers couldn’t? She’d be easily manipulated and work for very little? Her parents owed Plutt money but had none, just their daughter?
     
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    I am reading that as: "It's you, the one Snoke warned me about!" His Light counterpart.

    He doesn't know her, he knows of someone like her.
     
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    Yeah this was established 2 years ago. It amazes me people still misread this and think Ren knew her.
     
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    What I'm saying is that the idea of a powerful bloodline as a requirement to being force sensitive was never established in the previous movies, as I said before the Skywalkers are the exception not the norm, every other jedi or sith was not part of any special bloodline.
    Also this has nothing to do with midichlorians, that is a completely different discussion, the idea that Anakin's bloodline was special was already established in the OT:

    BEN
    Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your
    father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were
    to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the
    reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.
     
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    Yeah, genetics have always played a role in Star Wars. Ever since ANH. Midichlorians essentially were always there but never discussed. Everyone has the Force, just to different degrees. The Skywalker’s are naturally highly connected to it.

    As for Rey, and every hero in mythology, her power needs an explanation and their “origins” are usually special. For her, it is that she was a reaction to the growing dark side. This is explained. I don’t see the issue.
     
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    I think the confusion here is that anyone can be a Jedi and anyone can be special as well. Yes, Anakin was the chosen one and he was strong in the force. So was his son and grandson. However, Rey is the powerful light rising to the powerful darkness. Perhaps Anakin/Luke were the powerful light rising to Palpatine's powerful darkness.

    Rey is the awakening in the force. Kylo and Snoke felt it. Snoke presumed it was Luke and then realized it was Rey.
     
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    Agreed, that's why I found JJ's quote really troubling.
    As for the explanation of Rey's power let's agree to disagree. I think it's inconsistent with Anakin's origin, it's like the force now does whatever it wants without following any kind of rules or pattern.
     
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    Oh, shoot. That was the last thread of hope I had that Rey was not a complete rando.
    Well, no. I have others....
     
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    Yeah, he was wrong. But I think he was making a general point about what worked for him.
     
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    This makes,however Rey's vision in TFA untrue.Rey sees exact ship leaving Jakku....now to me that was Light side vision ignited by Light saber.

    We forget that source of Rey's "information" about parents in TLJ is exclusively Dark Side.(Dark cave-Snoke-Kylo)

    Probably most curious result than,if true,is that Rey sough the" truth" only trough Dark Side,which by Yoda words uses"lies and deceiving"otherwise.

    I am not saying you are maybe not right,but I think we have more than obvious space for that uncertainty and speculation (unfortunately may-be because dissapointment almost became a rule) becuse of this questionable"source of information".Dark Side.
     
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    What’s the issue with the ship leaving?
     
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    People assume that the ship is leaving Jakku. I'm not sure why. That ship could be going somewhere else on Jakku or any number of other explanations.
     
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    Original post.
     
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    Indeed. But even if it left the planet, did it stipulate where her parents were buried in TLJ?
     
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    Have you people noted peculiar Snoke's words?
    I want to hear opinion......first talk about this ever:
    ...............
    Snoke:
    "Darkness rises,and Light to meet it."
    He than says like :I knew since you(Kylo) was born,a Light will opose with birth of a another..
    Than Snoke says:Another Skywalker,I presumed (little pause..looking Rey), but not.
    ......................
    Why I think Snoke was bluffing or something else is going on here.?
     
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    “Skywalker, I assumed. Wrongly”.

    He was referring to Luke.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 26, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 26, 2017 ---
    Essentially, Snoke made the mistake a lot of fans made: he didn’t see Rey Random coming!
     
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    Come closer, child.


    So much strength.


    Darkness rises,


    and light to meet it.


    I warned my young apprentice


    that as he grew stronger,


    his equal
    in the light would rise.


    Skywalker...


    (CHUCKLING) I assumed.


    Wrongly.
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    Not saying you are wrong but why would Snoke think it was Luke? Luke was before Kylo and he was presumably much stronger, how does Luke fit into that description? And if Luke is the opposite of Kylo then who is the opposite of Snoke?
     
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    No,Snoke was reffering to reaction of the Force on Ben's existance,trough birth od equaly powerfull Light sided one.Luke is old already there.
    Snoke exactly told he expected Force will bring Another Skywalker,Darkness rises..and Light to meet it.

    See post above..Aglarion
     
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    When Ben turned bad under Snoke, Luke disappeared. As we see in TFA Snoke only worried about Luke’s return. Essentially, Snoke is saying that when Kylo Ren rose to power (and with it the Dark Side), Snoke thought Luke would rise to meet him. That was what TFA was all about.

    Saying himself that he was wrong, acknowledging Rey and knowing her true past, confirms this.
     
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    Man...please. It does not kill you if you just see it and aknoweldge scene as it is, besides, we will have DVD you'll see it..

    Its scene where Rey is brough to Snoke, he says literally that Rey was born due to maintainig the law of balance of the Force, reaction to Ben's destiny to became strong in darkness.

    Snoke clearly says he, wrongfully( with abit of sacrasm..chuckling in his voice)he expected this one to be another Skywalker.

    It does not prove anything, but it is as it is.that scene.

    ok, it proves if Snoke "the Wise" expected another Skywalker than we were also not so stupid afterall.
    HAHAHA::p(Chuckling sarcasm, irony)
     
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