Snoke/Kylo story about Rey parents does not hold.

And then Snoke says he assumes it was Luke. I guess you just missed it.

Snoke is talking about his powerful apprentice. Why does Snoke have to fit into the equation? He picked Ben because of his potential.

 

The world is short on resources and labour. As you can see in TFA, Unkar Plutt is like a feudal lord, he relies on labour by dependents. He collects and distributes. He needs people to do the collecting, he just distributes. There might be many jobs for a small child (cleaning junk) or more importantly getting into small spaces.

The more poor a society is and the less resources available the more likely dependent and slave labout becomes an essential element for the local economy to function. An subsistance economy where each and everyone needs to contribute to survive and children are not excluded.

I always see Jakku as the Star Wars version of a third world country.

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But this is just my head cannon. I don't know why Unkar bought Rey. I think what I said above might be plausible.

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Wow, that's a great quote.

 

If you have the time, I highly recommend reading the entire twitter thread/review. It's really really amazing.

 

I'm sorry please reread that last pages of the thread you are not making any sense, Snoke says Skywalker not Luke, that's why we are discussing.
I didn't miss anything I have the movie and the script in my hard drive.

Snoke said exactly what I posted above, no need for any DVD.

 

To some extant Rey might even be said to be 'another skywalker' even though she is not related in anyway (or so it appears). She is his legacy.

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I will be doing that, thanks. I like this part especially from that tweet:
"But what does tire me are viewers who go out of their way to point out “plot holes” or apply weaponized YouTube-caliber snark to identify “everything wrong with [insert movie]” as if they’re approaching a film like a math problem. They want to “solve” the film, not review it."

Over the course of the release of the last 3 Star Wars movie I have learned not to pay so much attention on the youtubers, because there are so many reasons involved which might shape their opinion in one way or the other. What I don't like especially is their rush to record a video after one viewing. It takes time and at least two viewing to grasp the content and depth of a film like TLJ. Every idiot can put a youtube video online about "Why TFA/RO/TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie ever". But what I want is reviews by balanced and sensible people who know how to critique a movie according to accepted and verifiable standards.

I only rely on written reviews by certified critics in verifiable media.

 

Its actually quite marvelous that we are all discussing whether Kylo was lying about Rey's past or not. One part of me hopes he does, out of pure empathy - its the worst thing that Rey could hear at that moment. Everyone wants their parents to be special. In the eyes of a child parents always are. But then Rey is also that boy at the end of TLJ. Rey and the boy are Luke's legacy with a vengeance. The idea that when one Luke dies, thousands are ready to take his place and follow his example. Nobodies who become someone greater than they had ever expected.

 

Snoke wouldn't believe anybody is his equal.

He's afraid of Luke's new Jedi Order that he knows would challenge his power.

That's the entire plot of TFA - find Luke Skywalker and kill him before he can create a new Jedi Order.

Ultimately, he's both right and wrong. The Light rose to meet Kylo Ren, and it resulted in Snoke's death, regardless of who represents the Light.

 

Sometimes the truth can hurt. That includes Rey as well as some fans who continue to be in denial.

 

@McDiarmid

Who do you think Snoke meant when he said he “assumed it was Skywalker...wrongly”?

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Because Kylo Ren has off the chart raw power and he is the one driving the dark side forward. Snoke is behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

Like I said, Han put it best: “Snoke is using you for your power. When he gets what he wants he will crush you”.

Snoke is pushing Kylo forward. He is the perfect weapon. And it is Kylo’s actions, not Snoke’s thoughts or mere presence, that empowers the Dark Side.

 

I think I understand what you are trying to say but even if Snoke's power is insignificant compared to Kylo's, don't you still think he is pretty powerful? Wouldn't it be a major oversight by the force not to consider Snoke as any threat? What were Kylo's actions exactly?

 

Anybody that trusts Armitage Hux to run his military....ain't a threat.

lol, although Hux did have them complete the hyperspace tracking thing, but he's still an idiot.

Palpatine was certainly more powerful than Anakin in ROTS, but did assume that Anakin would become "more powerful than either of us" when fighting Yoda.

 

Yes, he is very powerful and a very great threat. But he is also damaged and vulnerable - and he uses others to do his bidding. You’re also talking about the POV of the force but we’re speaking about Snoke’s POV. He could think he was beyond having an equal. He could think his threat is intertwined with Kylo’s (so whoever rises to meet Kylo, meets him [Snoke] as well). It could be that Snoke views himself as the source of the dark side itself. Whatever. But when you consider the POV of the Force, it seems that Snokey underestimated it or ignored it: Kylo Ren dealt with him. With Rey. So it could be said that ReyBen was the answer to Snoke. Or Snoke, admittedly got it wrong - Rey rose to meet Ren and Luke was there to meet Snoke’s threat (both different in nature).

It’s all debatable. What isn’t debatable is who Snoke was talking about (for whatever reason).

He thought Luke was the one to rise up against Ren...he later realised it was Rey. Notice in TFA the word is “awakening”. So when he talks about “rising” it is within this context. Snoke believed the exiled Luke had awoken the force and would return. It turned out it was Rey.

We can debate the reasoning behind this all day long. But the FACT is clear - Snoke thought Luke was Ren’s counter. He then found out it was Rey....a nobody.

 

While I like your arguments in the first paragraph. I don't think it's a fact, the phrase is still ambiguous. I think it diminishes Snoke character even more, I still hope he is coming back somehow.

 

He admits his own mistake and then doesn’t see Kylo’s betrayal. He isn’t infallible - just like Sidious.

I don’t see how it is ambiguous. Again, who else would he be referring to when he says “Skywalker I assumed, wrongly”?

 

We have already been over this several times, you can disagree of course but please stop pretending you don't know what we were talking about. The alternative idea is that he assumed Rey was a Skywalker and now he realizes she's not.