Snoke/Kylo story about Rey parents does not hold.

“I’ll try spinning that’s a good trick” lol. Everyone blasted this film and what Anakin could do back then. It’s funny you guys are now defending Lucas treatment of Anakin as an 8 year old but have issues with Rey. SMH.

 

If she was sold to someone, then why isn't she a slave in TFA? I'll admit, all but destitute, she definitely isn't owned by anyone.

 

I like the prequels. Shocking.

This hate to the prequels is revisionism that started in the late 2000's.

Rewatched them all over the past few days and realized how much better then this pile of garbage. Sure this one had better dialogue but the story is ridiculous.

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Slaves don't sell products to there master.

 

1. Luke hasn't met many forceusers before. When Luke met Vader he wasn't a fully trained Jedi so he could not have detected how strong the emperor was (who hid his power from the entirey Jedi Temple for decades!). Vader (if he didn't bother to cloud his forcepowers) was only a shadow of his former self, Anakin Skywalker. So Luke doesn't have much reference points. The "raw strenght" could also mean determination, the will to survive, the potential of becoming an unleashed, raging darksider. Nowhere does he imply that "raw strenght" means that Rey has as much forcepowers as the Emperor or Anakin. And even if she had them then were do they come from???
2. If the light chose her then I am happy about it. It would explain her incredible power that is uncharacteristic of all the nobody Jedis we have seen so far. I said this earlier on this thread, only a couple of posts ago (you probably downvoted one of them...). I have no problem with Rey acting like a chosen one if she is a chosen one. If the light side picked her, so be it. If Snoke's spirit posessed her after he was killed by Kylo, so be it. If she grew up in some sort of nexus of power on Jakku so freaking be it. But so far there is nothing special about her at all. And as long as JJ doesn't adress this and as long as she is just the daughter of nobodies then we have a case of seriiously bad writing.
3. Crazy Jesus ripping of story. Are you even aware of how Star Wars came into existence? How Lucas deliberately borrowed aspects from mythology and religion to create his Star Wars saga ( I am speaking about the OT here too) Maybe this will put the "stupid Jesus" analogy into context:

These include southern and eastern Asian religions, Qigong, philosophy, classical mythology, Roman history, Zoroastrianism, parts of the Abrahamic religions, Confucianism, Shintō and Taoism, and countless cinematic precursors. Creator George Lucas stated "Most of the spiritual reality in the movie is based on a synthesis of all religions. A synthesis through history; the way man has perceived the unknown and the great mystery and tried to deal with that or dealing with it".[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sources_and_analogues

 

No the hate started in 1999 when TPM was released. It was garbage then and is still garbage now.

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1. Luke knew Obi-Wan. Trained under Yoda. Fought his father the Chosen One. Underestimated Palpatine and trained Ben Solo but he didn’t know many force users and has no reference? Are you kidding me???? Luke Skywalker can’t tell if someone is powerful in the force accurately? That’s your story?

2. The tell you the light chose her in the films.

3. Basing ideas on religions is one thing. Stealing the story of the virgin birth and putting it in your movie is and was Lucas stupidest decision

 

Ok

Go look at the critic reviews from 1999. They weren't so bad. These terrible reviews are trendy starting in the late 00's.

 

I actually really liked that idea, I don't see it as stealing since the concept of miraculous birth of being born from a virgin is present in many religions and mythologies.
I think it actually helps in developing the mysticism of the force.

 

TPM is horrendous. It doesn’t compare to TLJ on any level.

 

Luke was basically a Padawan until the end of ROTJ. Obviously from what these movies have told us about the next 40 years he never advanced much past this. Which makes his character in this movie even more butchered.

 

1. Again you have no proof what Luke means with "raw strenght" and Luke doesn't have a good track record at estimating someone's strenght in the force. He didn't even sense that Yoda was powerful so please tell me how he could accurately estimate the Emperor's power (who was really good at clouding it) given that he was still a relatively inexperienced Jedi in ROTJ.
2. Where does it say that Rey is special and the light chose her? TLJ made it pretty clear that she is a nobody. So where does it explain her immense power resulting from being a chosen one?
3. Look since you obviously lack background knowledge about the religious influences in SW I would recommend you to look them up. It is your right to think that the virgin birth is silly but it is a trope used in SW and as such a viable explaination for Rey. So far Rey is a nobody acting like a somebody and this needs to be adressed or all the training other Jedi had to go through and all the struggle of the Sith to get power is useless.

 

You saw him project himself across the galaxy, right?

 

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Yes and his powers have obviously grown considerably since ROTJ. He couldn't do that in Ep VI could he?

 

Maybe by being a scavenger that was the only way she was useful for him. (Plutt)

The only thing she got for her scavenging was food, so she was earning her stay.
Otherwise she would have died starving.
Plutt was cheap though.

 

No. But you just said he hadn’t advanced much...???

Edit: someone else said that. My bad.

 

Thank you for letting me know this. I feel more enlighten at last.

Yeah. I saw a force ghost burn down a tree too. Doesn't make it any better.

 

“Darkness rises...and light to meet it”.

That’s the line you need to think about. That and her unprecedented connection to Ren.

 

Yes that is how slavery works. Why didn't he just take the Droid. That is how slavery works.

 

No worries. Glad it helped.

Doesn’t make what better?

 

Luke meets Yoda, can't sense him => Luke is obviously new to the force
Luke meets the Emperor and Vader, the one is good at clouding his true power the other is a shadow of his former self, Luke survives only with the aid of Vader => he still is pretty much a padawan in ROTJ
Luke grows for 30 years, reading the journal of the whills. He learns new powers => he grows and becomes a full Jedi master after Yoda's final lesson

Luke has never met a powerful forceuser when he was able to correctly estimate their power. As such his qquiote that he has never "felt" such raw power doesn't mean much. If Yoda had said something like this then sure, but Luke isn't a good example.

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And how exactly does that mean she is a chosen one? Is Kylo a dark chosen one so that a light chosen one is created? I mean how does that quote indicate she is a chosen one, especially considering the fact that Snoke said it, who was wro9ng about pretty much everything he said and was killed by Kylo, his apprentrice. Wouldn't this mean that Kylo was the light to meet the darkness? You could have retired Ahsoka Tanos tand up to Kylo. It would still be light rising to meet darkness. Doesn't mean Ahsoka is a chosen oen does it?

 

Oh my god it’s meant to show that Rey and Ren are essentially equals. It’s a direct comparison. Luke from TLJ, you know they one that can project himself across the galaxy, sees Rey and Ren as equally very powerful. The over thinking and crazy analysis is off the charts today.