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SPECULATION Snoke who is he? My Theory (One Force One Balance)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Oneforceonebalance, Aug 10, 2017.

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    Who is Snoke? My Snoke Theory

    My guess is that Snoke is a master dark force user and Kylo Ren is his apprentice. When we think about where did Snoke come from if Palpatine is not his master? My conclusions are, Dark Force users have masters like Jedi Masters, and just like the Jedi masters take on one Padawan at a time. So Dark Force users are like the Jedi Order there and many Dark Force Users who are masters and we see them take on students. So when we see Darth Sidious and his student Darth Vader, Darth is the name of one of the Dark Force Order he comes from. So Snoke can be another dark force users who has master the dark side of the force, but from a different school of thought. But they all have the same fundamentals principles and beliefs in the Dark side of the Force.

    Sith:
    The Rule of Two was a Sith philosophy mandating that only two Sith Lords could exist at any given time: a master to embody the power of the dark side of the Force, and an apprentice to crave it. The philosophy of two governed the Lords of the Sith for a millennium, beginning with its founder Darth Bane.


    So Snoke can be a follower of the Sith who took Palpatine/Darth Sidious & Vader place after their devised. Starting his own order, and was looking for an apprentice, and used the ways of the Sith and Palpatine to infiltrate Luke's school of thought and convey the ways of the dark side to Ben Solo known as Kylo Ren.

    I believe Snoke evolves the ways of the Sith, or do not use the Sith title because either he, not a Sith because Palpatine and his student were killed. That which Snoke knows of the Sith teachings and being a dark side user did not have a master to learn from, and this is why he Fears Luke bring a new Jedi order, and is another reason why he needs Ben Solo because his family is strong with the force and he has with him Darkside of the Force when his emotion is disrupted.

    So Snoke, not Palpatine who came
    back, neither is he Plagues.

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    I know of but one truth.....

    It's time for the Sith to end.
     
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    Where is Pastor Barndog?

    Here ,another one is to much interested in Snoke.:p
     
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    I'm here. Busy lately.

    Frankly there are too many possibilities for Snoke; ancient reborn Sith, one Palatine's possible replacements for Vader from the Cylo line, one of the other inquisitors, a jedi who turned, a Predori force user, an actual Imaxine Warrior, and so on way too many options. For me the real question is Snoke the major villain or is he simply part of Kylo Ren's rise to true station as the BBEG.
     
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    Snoke can simply be a character with an all new doctrine of the Dark Side. Dark Siders have their belief system, the Sith have theirs and so do the Witches of Dathomir. All use the Dark Side for their purposes yet one does not believe in the other. We are quick to want to link Snoke with something we already know but he can be something totally different and non Sith.
     
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    Snoke and Darth Sidious are very different Darth Sidious wear his hood over his face to cover up his disfigurement, while Snoke wears no hood, I was thinking maybe Snoke being disfigured and not hiding it is because he is weak becoming stronger and this is why he does not hide his face with a hood. So those under him can see how stronger he is getting to keep fear in them.
     
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    Snoke & Throne toy Force Friday


     
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    Claire Williams @claireducky
    Welcome to TheoryLoop, a Looper series focused on exploring popular fan theories about your favorite TV shows and movies. From Game of Thrones to the next Star Wars movie and beyond, join me every week as I break down and explain fan theories for you and give my opinions on how likely they are to be true.

    This week, we're going to take a look at Supreme Leader Snoke—the ominous leader of the First Order, who took Ben Solo (Kylo Ren) to be his apprentice. Ever since The Force Awakens was released, fans speculated about the true identity of this disfigured and dangerous Force user, who we've only seen onscreen via hologram. One of the more interesting theories involving Snoke is connected to Ezra Bridger, a Jedi Padawan featured on the Disney XD animated series Star Wars Rebels. Some fans feel a propensity of evidence points towards Ezra becoming the future Supreme Leader Snoke. Let's go through that evidence one point at time before I give my final verdict on this fan theory. But fair warning—below the cut, this article contains spoilers for The Force Awakens as well as all the other Star Wars movies, Rebels, Rogue One, Bloodline, Expanded Universe/Legends canon, and pretty much anything with the words "Star Wars" slapped on it. You've been warned!

    Ezra's lightsaber


    Over the first two seasons on Star Wars Rebels, Ezra has proven himself to be capable and inventive. His creativity was most obvious when he was given a kyber crystal by Master Yoda and set out to build his lightsaber. He came up with a unique and innovative design, one that incorporated a built-in blaster. After this lightsaber was destroyed by Darth Vader on the Sith planet Malachor, Ezra acquired a new on with a green blade. In the Season 2 midseason trailer, there's a short clip of Ezra holding the new lightsaber and activating its crossguard hilt. Where else have we seen a lightsaber with a crossguard hilt? In the hands of Kylo Ren on The Force Awakens. It's not a stretch to believe that if Ezra devised this new innovation in lightsaber design and he later becomes Snoke, that could be where Kylo Ren learned how to build his.

    His fall towards the Dark Side

    Throughout the Rebels series—particularly the second season—we start to see Ezra's eventual fall to the Dark Side foreshadowed with his training. Obi-Wan Kenobi, one of the strongest and most dedicated Jedi in years, wasn't able to prevent his apprentice Anakin Skywalker from eventually becoming a Sith. Ezra's master—Kanan Jarrus—didn't even finish his own training, so it will be even more difficult for him to control his Padawan. Ezra has already used the Dark Side of the Force, which he harnessed to help control a enormous fyrnock to attack the High Inquisitor.

    We see Ezra learning new lightsaber techniques from a Jedi holocron of Anakin Skywalker (recorded before he became Darth Vader). On the planet Malachor, Ezra encounters a Force user who calls himself the "Old Master." The pair agree to work together to retrieve the Sith holocron within the Sith temple. We later figure out that the "Old Master" is actually Darth Maul, and he attempts several times to influence Ezra towards the Dark Side. At one point in their journey, they battle Inquisitors together, and Ezra uses a Force choke and levitation on the Seventh Sister.

    Finally, after the events on Malachor that lead to the (presumed) death of Ahsoka Tano, we see via the Season 3 trailer that Ezra is using the Sith holocron and hear a voice saying it is changing him (presumably not for the better.) After the death of his parents and Ahsoka, Ezra says he wants to find a way to prevent those he loves from ever getting hurt again. As we know, only Sith deal in absolutes.

    His resemblance to Snoke


    Many people have noticed certain physical similarities between Snoke and Ezra Bridger. Both have long and distinctive noses, blue eyes, and facial scarring, although the scarring on Snoke's face and head is much more serious than Ezra's. Some fans theorize that Ezra will receive those wounds in a future battle with his master, Kanan Jarrus. The pair have already had a mock duel which ended in a draw, which may be foreshadowing of another duel to come, despite Jarrus being blinded during the battle at the Sith temple.

    They both have similar Force abilities

    While we haven't seen exactly what Snoke can do onscreen (since he's only been seen as a hologram), we can infer several things about him from his backstory. We know that he must have vast mind-manipulating powers using the Force, since he was able to influence Ben Solo from far away, planting visions and speaking to him directly through his mind. Later, Kylo Ren uses these same techniques in an attempt to break into Rey's mind. It's likely he learned these methods from his Master, Supreme Leader Snoke.

    Throughout Star Wars Rebels, we see Ezra display an innate talent for Force abilities that use the mind. He is skilled at telekinesis, and has used his abilities on several occasions to control animals, communicate with others, use Jedi mind tricks on adversaries, and even manipulate the emotions of a crying Force-sensitive infant to calm it down. It seems strange that the new parts of Disney's Star Wars canon would introduce two different Force users so skilled in mind abilities.

    Ezra hates the Sith


    After the death of his parents, Ezra is motivated to destroy the Sith and the Empire. This was part of his reasons for seeking out the Sith holocron after Yoda told Ezra to go to Malachor. How can Ezra turn to the Dark Side if he wants to destroy the Sith? Primarily because not all Force users are either Jedi or Sith. Cherrut Imwe, a new character introduced for Rogue One, uses the Force to compensate for his blindness. Maz Kanata was recently revealed to not just be Force-sensitive, but an actual Force user in a deleted scene from The Force Awakens. A special-effects supervisor at ILM revealed that in a scene which was later cut from the final film, Maz uses the Force to collapse the roof of a tunnel while fleeing from the stormtroopers. The Inquisitors use the Dark Side of the Force in Rebels, but they are not Sith.

    Sith generally style themselves with the title "Darth," or simply "Lord." Neither Supreme Leader Snoke nor Kylo Ren use these titles. If Ezra previously eradicated the Sith before becoming Snoke, this might explain the lack of the title.

    Ezra hates the Empire

    Wait, what? Why would Ezra—the staunchly anti-Empire Jedi Padawan—go on to lead the Empire? Well, first of all, the antagonists in The Force Awakens are not the Empire, but the "New Order." In a recent novel by Claudia Gray called Star Wars: Bloodline, we learn that many people enjoyed the sense of order that the old Empire provided, if not their corruption by the Sith and their oppressive ways. This also explains why Snoke and Kylo Ren are not Sith. Ezra hated the Empire for oppressing his planet and family. In The Force Awakens, we learn that the New Order believes the New Republic (the new government that formed following the Rebellion victory at the Battle of Endor) is falling into the same patterns as the Empire. Those who originally supported the New Republic may see the Senate and decentralized government as ineffective. If Ezra is of this mindset, he may see it as his responsibility to destroy the thing he helped create with his actions during the Rebellion.

    Ezra's helmets

    This may be a silly one, but Ezra does have a habit of stealing Imperial gear and equipment for his own personal use—including the helmets of various Imperial troops. If you paid attention during The Force Awakens, we see the charred and melted helmet of Darth Vader in Kylo's possession. It's unlikely the young man came across this relic himself, so Snoke most likely gave it to him during his attempts to sway him to the Dark Side. It's entirely plausible that Ezra may have recovered the helmet himself following the final demise of the Death Star.

    Bad guys sometimes make good friends

    In Rebels, Ezra and his friend frequently team up with bad guys—thieves, villains, and even terrorists. We eventually see Hondo Ohnaka, Cham Syndulla, and even a Mandalorian terrorist leader join or assist the Rebels in various ways. During the aforementioned Bloodline novel, we learn that the New Order (then in its infancy) is in hiding, and is working with and/or funding various criminal elements, terrorists, and other "evil" organizations. Who would have the experience required to work with such scum in order to further a greater goal? Someone from the remaining crew of the Ghost on Rebels—including Ezra Bridger.

    Luke was the last Jedi


    In the original Star Wars trilogy, Master Yoda tells Luke Skywalker that he is the last Jedi. However, in Rebels, Yoda meets with both Ezra and his master Kanan Jarrus in a Jedi temple on Lothal. We also see Jedi-trained Ahsoka Tano during the first two seasons of Rebels. This means that between the timeline of Rebels and Yoda's conversation with Luke, these characters must either die—as it's implied Ahsoka did in the season two finale of Rebels—or be turned to the Dark Side, as happened to Anakin Skywalker. At the start of season three of Rebels (which premieres September 24, 2016), both Ezra and Kanan are still alive and serving the Light side of the Force—for now.

    The point of the Rebels series

    Unlike the Clone Wars animated series, which primarily focused on known characters from the Star Wars movies, Rebels introduces us to a mostly new cast of characters. Why did Disney choose to explore their stories instead of doing a series on the adventures of Han, Leia, and Luke in between the events of Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens? Possibly because the characters in Rebels have more to do with the current trilogy than we realized—especially if they turn out to hold the origin story for Supreme Leader Snoke.

    Evidence against this theory


    None of the previously discussed evidence is all that concrete, to be honest. A lot of it could be coincidence or confirmation bias. We don't know for sure (as of the time of this writing) that Ezra constructed that tri-saber with the crossguard hilt, or if he possibly picked it up on Malachor.

    Snoke is supposed to be ancient, having witnessed "the rise and fall of the Empire." Ezra was born on Empire Day—the day they first came to power—so I guess technically he could say the same thing, but that's a stretch. He'd be about 54 years old at the time of The Force Awakens, and even though the Dark Side can twist the visage of those who use it, Snoke looks much older than that.

    Supposedly, Snoke is a humanoid alien, and not human like Ezra. Some have suggested that Snoke could be a Munn—or even Darth Plagueis, who I think resembles him more than Ezra.

    Final verdict

    I can't see Ezra being the one creating the New Order, no matter how much the New Republic has gone astray since his old days in the Rebellion. It's much more likely that if he does fall to the Dark Side, perhaps fighting and killing Kanan along the way, he'd go into hiding rather than get involved with the spiritual successor to the Empire.

    Those involved with the show have given evidence which kills this theory. Andy Serkis (who voiced Snoke on The Force Awakens) said that Snoke is a new character. We also learned that Snoke's appearance wasn't decided until October 2015—just two months before the movie was released, and several months after the second season of Rebels began. J.J. Abrams and Neal Scanlan didn't want a character that looked just like Darth Sidious, and so the Snoke character was going to be young(er), albeit twisted by the Dark Side like Palpatine. They even considered making Snoke a female before casting Andy Serkis. The fact that Snoke could have been a female and his appearance was in so much flux so late in the post-production process tells me he likely has no connection to any other Star Wars character. Finally, Rian Johnson had this to say about all the Snoke theories floating around:

    My final word: As much as I think it would be cool to have an origin story for Snoke tie into Star Wars, I just can't buy into this theory. There's too much evidence to the contrary, and most of the "evidence" supporting it is paper thin and speculative. Personally, I think Benicio del Toro's character in the upcoming Star Wars VIII has a better chance of being Ezra than Snoke does. While anything is possible, I have to rule this one: not bloody likely.

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    Wow, Snoke on throne... btw sad to say to all my legends fans.... Smoke is no one...
     
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    notice the left side of the throne has red light and the right side have blue lights?
     
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    The thing that eliminates Ezra as being Snoke immediately is that Snoke is a 7-8 ft tall humanoid with long arms which has been verified by Snoke toys. We have seen Ezra's parents and other adults from Lothal and they are all normal sized. Ezra is around 17 at end of season 3 and is at an age he would be almost fully grown. There is. O way he is going to end up 7-8 feet tall.
     
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    I wonder if the Lego figure of Snoke coming with the Hologram of Palpatine is a hint toward anything in his origin or The Last Jedi story line.
     
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    Lifts under the golden robes.
     
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    Snoke is Goldmember.

    In all serious though...This sequel trilogy has not been and will not be about Snoke. Its about the darkness that envelopes a young man, and the family that loves him, forced into helplessly watching him turn completely to the Dark Side. Kylo Ren will kill Hux, and exploit Snoke's weakness and kill him as well. There is no redemption for Kylo Ren, and Snoke is merely a plot device to move a once torn and conflicted Kylo Ren into an all out Sith Lord.
     
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    Did Ezra take growth pills and grow to be a giant?
     
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    Maybe Snoke is a failed clone of Palpatine mixed with a Kaminoan. Maybe one of the first before the technique was perfected for Jango...... just a very far out guess...very far out
     
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    It’s also quite a possibility that Snoke is one of the Force Wielders, like those we’ve encountered in the Mortis arc of the CW.

    Those guys look human with a pale skin color, but have a body height up to 2.50 m.
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    They are very force attuned, and come in all shapes and know of the value of the different aspects of the force (light, dark and balanced). They could reside in something like a parallel universe/realm worlds (mortis monolith) > wild space and possibly in the unknown regions?!

    And of course one could say they are ancient and would have witnessed the rise and fall of Palpatine’s evil Empire from afar quite well.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_wielder

    Thus, Snoke wouldn’t fit in any Sith/dark force user stereotype we now of so far. Hah, they can even be shape shifters – wouldn’t that make for an interesting turn of events?

    Edit: Snoke was confirmed (by Pablo?) of a) being none-human and b) 8 foot in height (2.43m)
     
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    Good catch! On that throne & Snoke set, you can also note that Snoke is definitely wearing a ring with a black (Kyber?) crystal protruding from it! I wonder what became of Sabine’s Dark Saber over the time…
     
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    I'm kind of saying this half jokingly, but I wanted Snoke to be Sim Aloo. A seemingly total nobody in the Empire. But ends up being a bada$$. That would make his appearance in ROTJ even more mysterious.
     
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