So it's Leia's fault he died?

I saw it this way as well. I felt like Han was the first one to accept that Ben Solo was gone, and lost. He tries to tell Leia "I just saw him" and he KNOWS it's no longer his son. You can see it in his face the "AW CRAP" look he has when Leia is asking for him to bring Ben home, he knows its a tall order, but he just had to try. Harrison Ford was excellent in this movie lol

 

Just saw this posted and I just felt like laughing out loud but crying at the same time:

 

Kylo Ren was responsible for his father's death and no one else.

 

Snoke, if you really think about it .

 

Anyone but Leia. People just give her a rest. Lol.

 

I think that everyone is getting confused with the fact that Leia feels guilty-by-association for EVERYTHING that's been happening .

 

I know! Aside of having a whole planet in her conscience, just add the love of her life. Great.

 

Well, The Hosnian System really had nothing to do with her since all she could do was run down the clock with the fight. For her, it was either save Han or save The Galaxy from Snoke and she put too much effort into Han Solo even though she is the one who should have probably gone instead of Han Solo .

 

I was talking about Alderaan and the fact that in both the "Moving Target" book and the "Princess Leia" comic she always expresses her guilt over the destruction of her home planet Alderaan.

 

It's because she failed to protect them, and she was still naive at the time and was willing to destroy the entire rebellion over her planet, which is why I found it mighty interesting that she basically glossed over The Hosnian System yet cared more to protect the galaxy as well as Han Solo . That's actually WHY she hugged Rey, because Rey was the last person to interact with Han Solo while he wa alive and I'm willing to bet that Leia was feeling the last force connection with Han Solo through Rey, not due to relation or any Sith like that .

 

Maybe. Or maybe not. Lol.

But yeah, that perspective is interesting. And even more interesting how Star Wars gives us interesting frames to discuss our moral views (like the separate thread about if redemption is possible for Kylo Ren.)

What you said about the choices Leia makes reminds me of the Star Wars comics. In Star Wars # 9 - 12, she agrees to give Han Solo to the so-called wife Sana Starros so she can get to help Luke (who was prisoner of a Jedi-artifacts collector Hutt.) But in the following comic series Vader Down, she prefers to go chasing Vader when he is supposedly down in the planet Vrogas Vas instead of going to rescue Luke (whose X-wing crashed Vader's ship.) So she faces different choices and takes different paths. Interesting.

 

Are those comic all canon ?

 

Yep. Published by Marvel who belongs to...

 

Leia: "Bring our son back".
Han: "Okay".
Chewie: *nods*

LATER, THEY RETURN HOME TO D'QAR, WITHOUT HAN OR BEN, BUT WITH REY INSTEAD.

Leia: *immediately meets Rey for first time ever and hugs her, completely ignoring Chewie*
Chewie: (in a huff) "Seriously?!" O.o. *Then walks off to someplace he's appreciated more.*

 

I know. I mean when Han was being frozen in carbonite she wouldn't let go of Chewie. Why when he was killed by her own son she would not hug the Wookie?

 

Came here to say this. Leia wasn't wrong, there was good in Kylo Ren still so it was possible to bring him back. Han had sadly given up on his son, but deep down he knew she was right and he wanted his family back. Unfortunately when faced with the choice, Kylo chose the Dark Side, and that's all on him and only him.

It just sucks that's one more thing that poor Leia will blame herself for. When will she ever get a break?

One thing I noticed on my second watch is that we never get to know how Kylo feels about his mother. We know he didn't have the best relationship with his father because he tells Rey that Han would have disappointed her as a father, and someone here on the forum mentioned it's possible he harbored resentment towards Han because he would blame his weakness on him (since Han is not force sensitive). We also know he really wants to find Luke, even going so far as disobeying Snoke's direct orders, so maybe he has unresolved issues with Luke as well. But we have no idea of what his relationship with Leia is other than she regrets sending him away to train with Luke, which sounded like the equivalent of sending a trouble kid to military school/boarding school.

 

This would be just one of many reasons why I think it's vital Kylo does get saved/redeemed somehow. It's better and a more hopeful (and more Star Wars-y) message, and better for Leia's overall arc in this trilogy, if her faith wasn't completely misplaced.

 

She seemed way too confident in thinking Han would bring him back.Almost suspiciously so.

"We need to talk about our kid, the who has "Vader" in him. The one who's obsessed with one of the most cold-blooded villains the galaxies ever seen. The one who murdered multiple children and is being trained by a dark side user....You should talk to him. What he needs now more than anything is a father and son moment."

It's like she wanted him to be killed.

 

Maybe...

But there are no perfect people in this universe, they make mistakes, they can't predict the outcomes of the choices they make.

Whoever decided that Anakin should be the Jedi to guard Padme... actually was "responsible" for Darth Vader?

You can't think like this. She just wanted her kid back and hoped Han would be able to find a way to do it. She was wrong.

 

As a parent, if you had the opportunity to try and help that child you would do anything and no matter if Leia asked him, they were parents to who was once Ben Solo, he wanted to try and that is all any parent would do. No amount of blame is placed, it is a father and son situation of being a parent. That is how i saw it.