so maul survived, there goes the prophecy

I disagree. The old EU (of which I am no expert) had various incarnations of Force users that were not Jedi or Sith. But more importantly than that, Clone Wars dove into it as well with the Nightsisters. George had long maintained that Jedi and Sith were akin to religions. That there may be more than those two isn't universe-shattering, imo.

 

I didn't say that Jedi and Sith were the only Force users. What I said is that the Sith were implied to be the worst evil that ever existed or ever would. They were never the only villains, just the worst one.

 

Hoping that he saw Kenobi on Tatooine in his little vision and they have one final confrontation there on the Dune Sea. No sense in him living past ROTJ or even making it to ANH.

 

Well, some of us were opposed to the retcon in the first place, and we would like to put the whole thing behind us. I don't think there's anything sudden about that.

But even if you liked the retcon, I always thought the original intent was to bring Maul back to TCW for a limited time and then have him killed off again. The cancelation of TCW leaves this as a loose end waiting to be tied up.

In my opinion, it already didn't make much sense to have Maul be alive during Episode II when the movie doesn't mention him at all - and now he was alive during III as well. If he goes on to be alive for IV and beyond, it is almost like the movies and TV shows are telling two competing stories instead of integrating. (Yes, in some ways, that could already be true, but it's still not a good idea to make it worse.)

 

I guess they are angry at his blinding of Kanan.

 

To be fair, at that point, Maul was living as some ridiculous spider monster on a trash planet in the middle of nowhere. Nobody knew he was alive. He was eliminated later by Palpatine well before the events of Ep.3.

I’ve never been a particular fan of this retcon either, but it makes sense he wouldn’t be mentioned - more or less.

 

I don't know if I can agree that the Jedi and the Sith should be regarded as the top of the Force users hierarchy. They're obviously the most well known. But the top of the hierarchy? I don't know if I can agree with that.

 

Not because she was a threat to the rule, but to him. The rule of two usually involves the Sith apprentice training his own so that they are powerful enough to defeat the "true" master.

Imagine that for an anti-climatic ending: Maul just gets ejected into one of the suns and burnt to a crisp .

Plagueis most likely was still the master when Sidious abducted Maul. Palpatine would have wanted to secure his legacy before making a move against his master. Also, the Sith referred to a religion, not the Lords exclusively.

What?! Fan service is the only thing that keeps a franchise going. Lucas gave Star Wars fans plenty of fan service throughout five of his films and a TV show. The Clone Wars was the most fan service heavy property he created.

The Jedi and Sith are the hierarchy in Star Wars. Only beings such as the Force Wielders top them and they're extinct. Nightsisters do not count as their powers come from rituals and potions, not a physical connection to the force.

 

I thought the apprentice was supposed to beat the master on their own thus proving their worthiness? Groups of "lesser" sith teaming up to topple a strong dark Lord was what led to the rule in the first place.

 

Yes, but the apprentice has to have the desire to learn everything they can from the master beforehand. If they know everything the master does, then the master is still more likely to win in single combat because he has known everything and used it for longer.

Cunning is just an alternative method of murdering your master.

 

Yeah, technically you can use the term Sith to refer to either the Lords, warriors of the past, or the religion in general. The term seems to interchanged frequently.

 

totally agree. one thing i would add though is that its in the master's best interest for their apprentice to succeed them, because its not just about that one individual sith but the 1000 year/generation project. which in and of itself is interesting because the sith above all else desire power, but they are also bound to spend their lives creating the instrument of their own defeat. something very poetic about that. but i digress...

 

Well apprantly the sith are selfish which is why they kill their masters .

 

I was never a big fan of him living in the first place. I think Maul (humanoid with a circular muscle digestive system) using the dark side to overcome his need for the bottom half of his body is a little flimsy even by Star Wars standards. I really have not found his portrayal on the Clone Wars and Rebels all that compelling anyway so I am looking for him to do something with a little weight. Dueling Kenobi one last time should do the trick.

 

well any rule or law can only stand as long as those in charge want to enforce it. and its in every master's best interest to make sure it is. hopefully we'll be getting some new canon on this soon rather than later.

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just out of curiosity, how would maul fighting obi-wan again add weight to his character? especially when their first one didn't.

 

That is your opinion my friend. The Maul vs Obi Wan duel was one of the most intense in all the movies imo.

 

It was a great fight no doubt but it didn't add much to the characters. Maul was just as one dimensional afterwards as he was before. I'm not sure how repeating it will change that.