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SPOILER Speculation Storyboard

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by thehiredgun, May 14, 2015.

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    Impressive how you connected all little dots to a cohesive story! Fully deserving of a medal - and if I could, I'd give you a like, C-3PO, Yoda, and Qui-Gon as well!

    Thank you for the very entertaining read!
     
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    Hey Friends,

    The Spoilerboard PDF has been updated with all the new goodness from the San Diego Comic Con junkets.

    You can find my update notes here: http://spoilerboard.blogspot.com

    Note that I haven't had time to update the Emaze presentation yet, but the PDF is better in my opinion anyway.

    As always, feel free to shoot me a message if you have info or ideas or find something that seems worth discussing.

    Cheers!
     
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    Excellent! I've been looking forward to your updated thoughts!
     
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    I've just read through the whole thing. I think I'm going to love this movie. I see a lot of parallels to ANH with a bunch of twists to fresh things up.
    I think Luke's screentime is still small and Mark Hamill's probably even smaller as all the fighting is probably done by a the stunt double. What I'm saying is Mark probably just had very few days of shooting and fits with what we know of his schedule.
    I think I'll make a post sooner or later about the similarities between ANH and TFA in terms of the structure of the story.

    Edit: by the way, you mention that it's phasma who is chasing Rey in the tie fighter. I recall some people claiming the pilot being phasma because he was shiny, but in fact it's just an advanced tie fighter pilot. We have seen the hasbro figure in SDCC that confirms that. Besides the fact that they look nothing alike in the first place.
     
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    Re: Phasma flying the TIE - that info comes from the following:

    The Vanity Fair article that released the first full image of Phasma claims it was her chasing the Falcon in the trailer. It seems safe to assume that since they were given the info to run the exclusive article in the first place, they would fact check that part, but they might have gotten it wrong. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to go with their "official confirmation".

    EDIT: But ya never know - the article may have misunderstood the information being provided and assumed too much - and as other have stated - there's more than one TIE following the Falcon in the trailer.
     
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    Perhaps you are both right, there are presumably a lot of tie fighters chasing them.
     
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    Hello again fellow speculation fans...

    With all the awesome new product package shots and information slowly being released via the press, it was time to do a major update to the Spoilerboard!

    SPOILERBOARD.BLOGSPOT.COM

    Notes for version 1.03
    • Adding many new images from leaked product packaging.
    • Improved Confidence on Act I and II scenes.
    • Reduced Confidence in some Act III scenes, but added several new scenes.
    • Removed the Alternate Act III until more evidence is confirmed of Luke appearing outside of the Flashback and Cave scene.
    • Fixed several typos
    Enjoy!

    Spoilerboard_v103.JPG
     
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    Notes for version 1.04
    • Added audio links to actual dialog from the film pulled from electronic products.
    • Adding plenty of new images from released products and packaging.
    • Addition of new Finn/Phasma scene in Act I
    • Added screen grabs from the Facebook 360 Jakku speeder run
    • Several updates to Act III plot details, with some minor tweaks to the Han/Kylo showdown.
    • Fixed several typos and improved story structure.
    Enjoy!
     
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    FYI - Spoilerboard version 2.0 is live. (http://spoilerboard.blogspot.com)

    WOW! What a trailer! It seems the more we see visually, the more confidence is building that the rumored plot is pretty accurate, at least through the first two Acts. While the structure of the plot remains pretty much in tact, the trailer struck a few suspicions in my mind.

    For example, despite Rey's amazing piloting skills with the Falcon, is it possible she's never flown it before? Previously it seemed she must have, but now I'm not so sure. Rey is clearly sad but is she really stuck on Jakku? Is she trying to leave or is she waiting? hmm..

    The trailer also tried really hard to make you believe that Luke and R2 are in the village scene when Kylo's shuttle descends. The embers, lighting and fire all seem identical! We know this scene was even filmed in the same physical location, but is it connected or a flashback? I'm still listing Luke and R2 as a flashback because it looks like Luke is in a rocky cave, not a sandy dune - but still - what if the trailer is implying that Luke is nearby when Kylo attacks the village?! Interesting.

    Then there is the shot of Kylo appearing to speak to the mask. We knew this was in the film, but it now seems even more likely that Snoke is just a voice in Kylo's head and I still wonder if Kylo doesn't believe that he's actually speaking to Vader's ghost. Is Kylo being manipulated? Does he know what really happened to Vader or is he delusional? Several people who are spoiler free have asked me if Kylo is Luke based on the trailer and poster. They sure want you to think that, but I'm still in agreement that Luke is at the very end.

    Hearing Han talk to Rey as if they don't believe his story was great! Although it makes me start to wonder if Han really knows who Rey is or not. It's possible that he doesn't figure it out until Maz's castle.

    And what is up with the seven Knights standing in the rain over the dead (padawans?)? Is that Kylo Ren or the previous Ren wearing a similar getup? If this is a flashback, how far back does it go? It seems unlikely that at Kylo's current age, he would appears to be the same size 10-20 years ago unless that trailer image is Kylo as a teenager. Hmm...

    The Resistance base - is it on Takodana? Some say it is... but we also hear it is on the moon of Yavin IV. The mountains and sky look the same, and there was a rumor that the hidden base is on the other side of the planet, unbeknownst to the First Order - which is how they're able to attack and save the day, thus tipping their hand. But there's some oddities about how Poe appears to be prepping the Black X-Wing while Poe walks towards the falcon. Is the transition from Castle rescue to assault on First Order base done quickly? Is the Starkiller in orbit of Takodana and preparing to fire? Maybe. It would explain the urgency and the emotion on Leia's face.

    And the lightsaber duel! Does Kylo kill Finn? It sure looks bad... jury is out, but rumor says that he's bested but alive at the end. Maybe he's just in bad shape. Yet, those tears on Rey's face sure tell a sad story. They sure want you to think that Finn is a gonner.
     
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    That's my reasoning anyway.
    Excellent PDF, OP, impressive. And exciting that even though we know a lot, there are still many dots to connect.
    I'm wondering if your version has one planet too many.
    Maybe Finn and Rey, upon escaping with the Falcon, check the navigator computer, see that it's last destination was Pirate Planet, they head there, and Han and Chewie are there.
     
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    I think we need to be careful there... Yes, they were both filmed on a backlot at pinewood... however they were filmed on neighboring sets.

    [​IMG]
    Pay attention to the different colours of the sand. Why is the sand on the village set more yellow?
    There appears to be two different sets here, divided by some kind of access path.

    Also, if you look real close at the shot from the teaser, it looks more like Luke is in some sort of open space, surrounded by large round boulders. If you look on the behind the scenes photo... you can see a bunch of smaller round rocks closeby.


    Adam Driver is 31... I'm not sure if they intend Kylo Ren to be that age during the Force Awakens, but if he is, then a flashback from 10 years ago would only make him about 20, which could fit.

    What I really want to know though... is why is Kylo the only one of them with a lightsaber?



    It's just... we need somewhere to fit the Guavian Enforcers, Tasu Leech and the Kanjiklub.
    The Guavian Enforces seem to appear in some sort of space ship - most likely the leaked "Pirate transport."
     
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    Totally agree that Luke and R2 are NOT at the Jakku village. If you mess with the contrast in the Luke scene, you can see what appears to be a cave entrance behind him. It was just sneaky that the way they edited the trailer - it gives the impression that Luke is right there in the village with R2. If that were true - how on earth would R2 end up at the Resistance base and they still have no idea where Luke is. Nope - this is a flashback - and they just happened to use the same fire embers machine since it was filmed side-by-side with the village attack.

    The seven black figures in the rain is a bit different than I'd expected. I had started to believe that the seven were the students of Skywalker and that the clan was the Knights of ren, but this makes it look like the seven is a gang following Ren - are these six others the "knights" of Ren? The one behind him with the staff also has a mask similar to what some have leaked as "snoke's" mask - are we seeing Snoke for the first time - albiet with a mask on? I'm not buying it. But this scene does make me wonder if Kylo was a student of Luke's and went to the dark side, started a gang and wiped out the rest of the padawans, except Rey. Did he and Rey have a thing? My mind is all over the place on this now. Kylo clearly seems to know Rey based on his dialog with her, but was he bad to begin with? I had started to believe that Kylo was pretending to be bad at first in order to protect Rey. Now that seems to be at odds with Kylo leading the charge against the academy.

    And yes - why does Kylo seem to be the only one with a lightsaber if they are attacking a so called jedi academy? Something seems off. It really brings in to question that entire flashback sequence.
     
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    crawl
    pan over jakku
    stormtroopers convoy

    poe at the village bartering with mvs
    troopers land
    destroy village
    kidnap poe

    rey on jakku
    buys bb8 on way back from downed destroyer

    poe tortured on destroyer, shown vision of destruction
    finn rescues poe
    xwing crashes on jakku

    finn bumps in to rey on jakku
    escape troopers looking for finn
     
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    The seven could be Kylo, the only Knight of Ren, and his band of squires/men-at-arms (who are not Ren'ians and possibly have no or little force powers). The Knights of Ren COULD be a more background faction, with only Kylo (and possibly Snoke) as the only active members in the film - it is possible. Still, at present, I lean towards those seven making up the entire Knights of Ren faction, but it is impossible to know yet.
     
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    I REALLY, REALLY hope this and the entire MSW outline is 99% wrong. I love the look of everything, but the story leaks and plot outlines have me really bummed. I don't like the idea of the movie chasing a lightsaber for an unknown reason. I really hate the idea of minimal Luke, NOT a fan of Han possibly killed, and overall just not liking the plausible story. So, I really hope when we watch this movie in December, we will all laugh at the ideas we have now and the new film just knocks it out of the park.
     
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    I find the light sabre floating in the space quite odd concept as well. However, it makes sence in some way (that the saber is there, in the movie -- but maybe it is found another way). I was wondering why Han tells to Finn and Rey that it all is true, the dark side and the Jedi, unless there was something prompting to start that conversation. Might just as well be a saber...
     
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    When thinking about what might prompt Rey to say "There were stories about what happened..." it seemed plausible that Han might be asking her how she came across the Falcon and that she might be referring to the aftermath and the battle of Jakku.

    It may also be that Han is introducing himself and they've heard stories about the Rebellion and possibly even Han, but never really knew if any of it was true.

    The saber macguffin is really weird and flashbacks are definitely weird, yet there is Maz handing Luke's old saber to Leia. Even if the search for the saber doesn't drive the movie, they'll need to at least explain why someone is handing over Luke/Anakin's old saber to the general of the resistance.
     
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    My guess is that Kylo sends The Kanjiklub after the lightsaber. Tasu Leech helps find Rey, and Rey runs into Han Solo on Jakuu. KR has flown The falcon (based on rumors that he's in the falcon at some point) to Jakuu, and Rey, Finn, Han, and Chewie steal the falcon to escape off of Jakuu.
     
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    Maybe Kylo was kidnapped from the new Jedi academy at a young age, turned into a Knight of Ren, and then killed off the new padawans in an attempt to "finish what you [Vader] started." That would make sense if he's really the one in the massacre scene. It would also give Rey motivation to kill him later on (though I'd be okay with Finn doing so depending on how the story turns out).
     
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    Interesting theory... but I have to disagree.
    The Guavians are also, noticeably absent from your theory.

    Kylo Ren comes to Jakku in the opening of the movie, during the night time village sequence, on board his black Command Shuttle (folding wings/missing toy feature confirmed!). There's no indication that Kylo goes anywhere near the Jakku Trading Post prior to, or during, the story.

    The only place Han Solo could possibly appear on Jakku in the film, is on the Falcon itself (unless he appears during the village attack sequence, but that seems unlikely). We know this for fact. We also know for certain that during the Jakku chase sequence, Rey flies the ship solo, without a co-pilot.
    Now if you look at the trailer, you will see that only the bottom turret is firing.
    So let's assume that Han and Chewie were already on the Falcon when Finn and Rey turn up.
    Why are there 3 people, a wookiee, and an astromech droid (designed for in-flight ship repairs) on a ship, but they're only using one gun, and only one person is in the cockpit? What is everybody else doing, why does Han let Rey fly his ship, and why does Han exclaim "Chewie, we're home"?... Now let's say there is some logical explanation for this... (like Chewie and Han/Finn are trying to repair something with BB-8, or Rey and Finn managed to trap Han and Chewie somewhere in the ship)...
    we still have an issue as to where the Kanjiklub and Guavians fit into the movie.

    There's already a lot happening on Jakku, with Rey finding BB-8, getting into a speeder chase/other conflict with Unkar Plutt's thugs over something (likely BB-8), meeting Finn, and getting chased on foot by Stormtroopers. Would they really want to throw Tasu Leech and the Kanjiklub in there as well?
    And what about them Guavians?


    [​IMG]
    It certainly looks like they're on some kind of ship or something...


    And what about this set?

    [​IMG]
    This is clearly not on Jakku, and it's clearly not at the Resistance base, or a First Order site.
    Maybe there's some sort of underground docking bay on Takodana near Maz Kanata's castle (I can't see the Falcon during any of the wide shots there, though I can see Ren's shuttle).

    What about the Giant Freighter MSW have described in what have been some highly accurate leaks to date? How about the "Pirate Transport" Lego set name that was leaked with "Takodana"?

    Do Rey and Finn really go straight from Jakku to go see Maz Kanata on Takodana?


    There's so many questions...
     
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