SPECULATION The end of the movie and Skellig Michael

if this is truly how the movie ends, what do you all propose is the big secret that mark hamill has to keep hushed up? i personally hope that luke skywalker is in the film a TAD longer than two minutes.. but obviously i'll like whatever they do with it.

 

Here's my ending thread that got locked because of people arguing about Luke. I don't care about people arguing about Luke, just please do it in one of the Luke threads if it's going to go on for an extended period of time. #backseatmodding

The leaked soundtrack list had "The Jedi Steps and Finale" as the last track.

 

I think the big secret is that Luke's in it for just an awful 2 second voiceless cameo, does nothing, and never interacts with Han & Leia. That's the big surprise.

 

eh i'm not too convinced by that. we'll see what happens. two weeks to go!

 

Okay Emperor Abrams, you've been very vocal about this. I don't agree: if executed well, I think it could be awesome. However, I fully sympathize with your frustration, and you've been pretty respectful of other opinions (which people on this site with strong opinions don't always do), and I appreciate that.

Here's a question: if this whole idea turns out to have been deliberately planted by the marketing folks at Lucasfilm; if MSW and MF.com and IR etc. have been duped by a misinformation campaign; how would you feel? Would you be happy? Or would you be pissed that they've caused you a lot of anxiety worrying that Luke will actually only appear briefly at the end?

Personally, this would make me laugh hysterically, even though I'm one of those who have been fooled by the misinformation. And I'd be happy to get a movie very different from the one I've been expecting: not because the one I've been expecting seems necessarily bad to me, but because I think I'd enjoy the surprise. How would you feel?

 

I believe you are right. It doesn't mean the new film will be bad. Let's give it a chance. Who knows, the new characters could be as engaging as the old ones?
I for one truelly hope so as it would mean there is a future for Star Wars without the original characters. If Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo Ren are used in a great storyline that is in the true spirit of the old pulp serials I wouldn't mind this rumoured (let's face it, it's probably true, all of it ...) ending.

I don't agree on his cameo being voiceless though ... From the moment I read the name 'Rey' last year I'm hoping for her to be a 'Skywalker'. I mean 'Rey Skywalker' sounds great, no? As others have speculated elsewhere I wouldn't be too surprised if the last line spoken in the film will be something close to 'I am your Father.' It would leave a lot to be explored for episodes 8 and 9.

Also Luke will feature in the flashbacks I think. Perhaps those flashbacks even trigger Rey's awakening. If the flashback rumours are true maybe the big ole three will interact in those?

 

There's been so much talk about there being a "very good reason" why we haven't seen Luke yet, I can't believe it's down to a 5 second cameo. There's more to it and we'll see more of Luke. I'm convinced.

 

Well, that would be a very good reason.

I'm okay with it if Luke is only in one scene. There's two more films to go, so plenty of screen time for him in the next two. Sure, it means an excruciating wait until May '17, but we'll get to speculate loads and that's half the fun. If he appears in more than one scene, as a yoda/ben hermit type, then that's kind of his role set for the three movies, but just a sneak peek at the end, and he's in for a big role in the next one.

 

Well, part of me would definitely be a bit bummed over all of the anxiety and worrying over it, but I do do other things with my life besides sweat Star Wars movies all day, but it's definitely put a damper on my enthusiasm for the movie ever since I first heard the rumors. But I won't really be upset or even thinking about that because of the waves of enjoyment I'll be having over what I was worrying about NOT being true.

I will never have been more delighted to be wrong in my life. This is the kind of surprise I like. No one will be happier to see that the MSW awful 2 second cameo stuff is false than me.

Either way, I win (though we all win waaaaaay bigger if the terrible rumors of Luke's 2 second cameo, doing nothing, no green lightsaber action, and no Luke, Han & Leia interaction are true): if I'm wrong, Luke's in the movie and the MSW rumors about him aren't true, and that makes me and I suspect everyone else very happy. If I'm right, well, I have the much smaller satisfaction of saying I was right all along, lol.

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Yeah, but I think that "very good reason" is that it's literally the very last thing we see in the movie.

 

I don't believe it, and the reason has nothing to do with "wants" (I don't actually want anything) it has to do with not fitting at all. Ford (who I never saw lie before) said the reasonb for Luke's absence on the poster is "really, really good. trust me" and that ain't "really, really good" so it doesn't fit the knowns.

Also, just as in "kill X", JJ would be risking seriously pissing some people off by doing this; and I don't think JJ wants to piss people off; and creating a huge "where's Luke?" hype and expectation only to throw that scene up at the end? Could well be interpreted as Emporer Abrams said, a massive middle finger to a good number of people

But I think the most damning evidence is in the "script" itself. "And what is that?", you may ask:

That script has the movie ending with a SUNSET. You would not have a sunset closing this movie, you would obviously have a SUNRISE at this closing scene. Luke is found. Hope is found. A new beginning for Rey. This is a mandatory SUNRISE scene.

 

But if there are supposedly multiple huts in the same location, I wonder what the explanation would be, unless they paint out the other huts and use CGI to make it look different .

 

Look, Ford saying the movie was really, REALLY good in his possibly drunken state on Jimmy Kimmel really boosted my confidence in the movie, moreso than even any of the trailers did.

HOWEVER, Ford's definition of "good" may be completely different from what ours is. He may think it's great because he gets to be featured in the movie so prominently and is one of the lead characters and has lots of development, and that may be enough for him to call it a "great" movie. Ford is in the Hollywood, out of touch with the rest of us mindset, so maybe he's right and it is great, or maybe it's just great to him. Out of the original cast, I trust Mark Hamill's word the most because he's pretty much just one of "us" who happened to make it: he loves comic books, sci fi, cartoons, all that stuff, he lived and breathed it before he was cast as Luke Skywalker, and is one of the few people who understands fandom and stuff like comic con and what Star Wars is. Not that I have anything against Harrison Ford, I love him, but I'm just saying his values and what he considers to be great may very well be a bit different from what the rest of the "collective" is, and I think Hamill is probably a bit more in tune with it (even though I think they all are in tune with it to varying degrees).

I guess my point is -- and it's scary/sad to think of -- that Harrison Ford may be just as out of touch as JJ/Kasdan/Disney.

Also, it was Kasdan's idea originally to have Yoda wield a lightsaber and fight, Lucas was initially against it.....but changed his mind a decade later, obviously. I don't necessarily dislike Yoda using a lightsaber, but I just thought it was worth mentioning for the people who didn't like that Yoda fought in the prequels. Kasdan may not be the "savior" some people believe him to be, particularly without Lucas.

Like I've said before: I feel like the prequels were too much of the pendulum swinging too far in one direction where it was all George (even though he did try to get other people to help direct, to his credit, they were just too intimidated), now it's swung too far in the other direction where it's all everyone else and no George, when the original Star Wars films were the product of George Lucas with help from people who he considered "equals" and who considered him an equal, which is, in my opinion, a better winning formula than either of the extremes we seem to be at now. Again, hope I'm wrong, but that's just the impression I get.

 

It's his end-Luke, the REASON as to why he's there, what the name of the planet he is on actually is, OR all three .

 

I'm cool with a bittersweet ending. I don't mind not seeing the big three together again because that's what the original trilogy is for. But I do wonder at the secrecy around Luke.
The only possible and plausible reasons that I can think of are:
1) Luke is dead aka Force Ghost, like the knight in Indy ÌII; this of course would be a major spoiler, hence secrecy
2) Luke is Snoke

 

The knight in Indy 3 isn't a force ghost...he's immortal because he guards the holy grail .

 

yeah, fair enough.. i guess even if this is the way the film ends, luke's got some explaining to do..

 

That's why he narrates the entire film .

 

What if...





Luke isn't hiding alone...




what if...





he has a family.

 

I've seen your posts for awhile as well, and definitely respect your opinion. Wanted to ask you something: if it's true and Luke is only in the end of the film and some flashbacks, but IS in a bigger role in Episode 8, essentially the Yoda role that trains Rey and then enters the fight with her in the final act of 9, would that be ok for you? Obviously, you don't get the big 3 back together, but...how would you take that overall as Luke's role in the ST?

Eh, I think we are "spoiler spoiled" at this point. For the common audience, the secrecy is related to:

1.) Luke didn't create a Jedi order. He didn't stay the big hero in the galaxy.
2a) He failed to protect his nephew and niece/daughter. His jedi order failed.
2b) He even has a daughter and dead from the attack wife/evil wife who was part of it to be revealed in Episode 8.
3.) He went into exile because of this.

Most general audience fans don't know ANY of that yet...so it's a secret to be kept that he's not out still blasting it up with Han Solo. And then the other part of the secrecy is that he's going to be talked about, searched for, and hunted the entire movie and revealed at the end. That's why it's all so secretive.

 

The secret ending is that the Knights of Ren follow Rey to Luke's location. They enter the cave/temple with the intention of destroying the last Jedi.
Luke be like "you can leave now or be destroyed, it's your choice, but I warn you not to underestimate my powers".
They choose to be destroyed. Audience goes bonkers, many faint, popcorn everywhere. The End.