The Ending of SW: The Force Awakens.

Gotta say as someone who just got caught up on this thread, I agree with you 100%. Can't believe there are actually people who will let such an ultimately small aspect of the movie define the entire experience for them... to the point where they'd ask for money back. Can you actually imagine someone walking up to the ticket counter in real life and asking for a refund because "THERE WAS NO LUKEEEEEEEE"? It's ridiculous. I'd love to see the original three interact again, but not as much as I want a great story. Whatever choices lead to the filmmakers telling the best story possible are what I want, anything else is just a bonus.

 

Let's all go back on topic .

 

What in the bloody hell are you even ranting about now? Only you would think to make a comparison between "Cameo Luke" and a "Rapist Han Solo." You are so far afield its not even funny. This is like comparing apples and... mentally challenged squirrels. No one would ever suggest something like "Rapist Han Solo is a good idea," but the fact that you equate that with Luke having only a brief appearance in TFA, it just comes off as... I'm not even sure how to describe it other than completely delusional. The crazy part is, I actually see there being zero chance of "Two Second Luke" as you apparently think he should be called...

Is it a fact it will disappoint some people? Yes, its a fact because at least you will be breaking out the torches and pitchforks. Is it a fact that everyone or even the majority will be disappointed? My opinion is that it won't, but we won't really know until everyone sees the movie.

I hate to break it to you, but up until now (see above), you were the only one throwing out the labels around here.

How about you try this:
6) There is a difference of opinion.

If this isn't your idea of an insult, what is it? A compliment? If you can't understand that calling someone ignorant (especially in this self-righteous, pretentious manner) is offensive, insulting and downright disrespectful, then I have nothing more to say to you... Consider yourself blocked.

 

The point is that you claim I'm saying everyone who disagrees with me in general is a liar or not a fan, when that isn't true, I'm talking about a specific instance. Your point was that just because someone disagrees with me I think that makes them either a liar or not a fan, and I said that isn't so, and that it all depends on what they disagree with me on, and I proved it by illustrating an absolutely terrible hypothetical creative idea that someone would probably argue makes a "great" movie.

That's condescending.

Everyone more excited about seeing the original characters again than the new ones, which I would argue isn't everyone, but is certainly a contender for the majority, will be disappointed by a two second Luke cameo in which he does nothing.

No, you repeatedly labeled me as blinded by nostalgia and caring only for it because of my eagerness to see Luke in the film for more than a cameo and to actually do something.

That would be fine if it wasn't dependent on understanding what I had said. I said the sky is blue, you came back and told me you don't know what color I think it is, this illustrates to me you either didn't read what I said, didn't comprehend it, or are just being willingly ignorant.

An insult is trying to be deliberately hurtful, not when someone observes the truth.

This, I never understand. You're essentially bragging about being a crybaby who has to hide things from his eyes that might offend him. Why not do this quietly and not mention it at all? It doesn't hurt my feelings any to have someone tell me they're blocking me....it just makes you look bad....



And just a word to everyone who keeps labeling me as "trolling": trolling is just doing things to get a rise out of people. Is that really what you think my posts are? My posts are arguing a point that I strongly believe in...I'm not here to kick sand in anyone's face. You may not agree with or like what I have to say, but that at least is indisputable. A troll is the very last thing I am.

 

I can't get behind this reasoning. If you buy a book, if you don't like it, do you finish it and demand a refund? Or maybe you could go into a buffet, eat your fill, and decide to not pay afterwards.

The theater doesn't owe you a good time. As long as the film played without interruption or other technical issues, I don't see how they owe you anything.

Also, that false dichotomy is the antithesis of logical. I'm both a fan of Luke, and wouldn't be disappointed with him having only a small cameo. If he had a large role, i would've enjoyed that too.

But I think the film would be too crowded if Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Rey, Finn and Poe all have significant roles. I don't think Leia will have a large role. And if Han is killed off, having Luke only have a small cameo at the end of the film sets Luke up for having a much bigger role in EP 8.

If han is a main character in 7, Luke is main in 8, and Leia has a strong secondary role in all 3, I'd find this to be a good balance between honoring the characters of the past, while still letting the new big 3 be the main characters of the trilogy.

Logic is a system of rules that lead from from premises to conclusions. A commonly held opinion isn't "logical" while uncommon ones are "illogical". I think most would agree that Luke with 2 heads is stupid, but "If you think luke having 2 heads is a good idea then you are a liar or don't care for the character" is just as logical as "If you think luke having 2 heads is a good idea then you are a liar or don't care for the character", namely that neither conditional is valid as the antecedent (the if part) implies the consequent (the then part).

I don't understand it. Why does this apply to movies, but not concerts? or any other theater based performance arts?

 

1) Yeah they do. They keep about a third of the gross. Its individually negotiated and usually is a smaller take from the first two weeks, but you can look up more details if interested.

2) I'm not sure you know what "logically" means. I tried to give a run down of the fallacy you employ, and how to analyze the parts of a conditional statement. I'll give one more example, and you can pm if you want further details. "If you think R2 should have rocket jets, then you are either a liar or not a true fan" is not a logical statement. This is irrespective to the general acceptance of the antecedent (the if clause). You can't apply a series of logical rules to go from the antecedent to the consequent (the then part). People often erroneously conclude that what "makes sense to me" as logical, but these ideas have nothing in common.

3) I'm fine if they want to give Luke a bigger role. I'm also fine if he has a smaller role. As long as the movie is good, I don't much care.

4) No it isn't. I'm just giving an example. I don't know their plans. I was attempting to lay out a scenario that I'd be ok with that has no Han in 8, and almost no Luke in 7.

5) Really? For all future concerts/magic shows/ circus acts I'll ask for a refund after the end of the show because I didn't enjoy the show. I think I'd get laughed at. And if they offered me the money back, I wouldn't accept it. I find that similar to wearing close, keeping the tag on and returning it after the special event, or using tools, and then returning them after your finish your project.

 

@Emperor Abrams, @Dark Toilet, please cease this entire debate. If you need to vent your frustrations, I will gladly moderate your arguments in a PERSONAL MESSAGE, not a forum where there have been many rules and basic respect for each other violated and broken. Please, PM me immediately and end further discussion in this forums, intended to discuss the ending of The Force Awakens. Violation of this will have much more severe consequences.

 

Emperor Abrams is no troll. hes a fan who hates the idea of cameo Luke, and hes got good reason too. Cameo Luke IMO would show just how out of touch JJ is in regards to SW. there is simply no good reason, no plot point/reveal that can justify cameo Luke. its such an awful idea that i dont see it being the case. i personally think MSW knows jack dick about the character Luke and i believe thats intentional. if this is the greatest SW film ever (it wont be) it simply will always be remembered as JJ's big biff, the cameo Luke SW film. Jj cant be that stupid.

 

Exactly. I feel the same way about 99.999% of this post, especially the last part.

 

Luke Skywalker is omnipresent in the entire film, his entire shadow is cast over the film. It bothers me people still construe that as weak, instead of precisely what should happen to mythic heroes who have largely completely their primary arc. I honestly think some of you wouldn't know a good story if it walked up and handed you Wizard of Oz, Maltese Falcon and Citizen Kane. You'd be the type to complain that you'd figure out that "dumb Rosebud" riddle right away, instead of realizing the piece wasn't really about that...at all.

As for how many times "I have a bad feeling about this", I'm going with three, because it seems like a number JJ would settle on during the final edits of the script.

 

What DAFUQ happened?

 

Not got a clue.....

 

I actually agree with Emperor Abrams, being an original era fan. It's like when I watch a tv show, why bother spending my time watching it if it doesn't make me happy. I get that.

If the movie doesn't "pay off" for me either, then I won't see the 2nd and 3rd movies. After 32 years, I don't want to come back and not have the Big 3 reunited, see Leia and Han separated, see Han die, etc.

 

We're also here for s good time and let's it ruin it for each other.

 

well I can understand it when the trailers try to sell the movie as something that the movie is not, in this case wanting your money back is legit, since it would be like cheating. (it doesn't usually happen, obvioulsly the trailers wnat to sell the movie but they still represent at least the right tone and genre of the movie)

 

Looks like most of my posts/responses I devoted time and energy to got deleted.

* sigh * guess it's back to copying and saving all of my message board posts for future references if I need them again from now on...

 

Well, sorry everyone for the thread kill. All I ever want is to engage in respectful debate.