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The Fate of Ben Solo

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by FN-3263827, Jan 29, 2016.

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If redeemed, what will become of Ben Solo?

  1. He should sacrifice himself and die

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  2. He should be exiled

    9 vote(s)
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  3. He should quiety come home and retire to a life of atonement

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  4. He'll be given a hero's welcome: no one will know who he was anyway

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  5. He'll be given a hero's welcome: it's Disney; consequences don't matter so long the galaxy is saved

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  6. Can't answer because he can't be saved

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  1. Moral Hazard

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    so i've been thinking about this lately, the closer we get to TLJ.
    Ren Ben knows something we don't know.
    something broken about the galaxy that Luke didn't understand.
    not that Ren Ben understands it any better, but he's living it.

    Luke has been learning what it is; he's putting the pieces together and Rey is the final piece.
    his job is going to be to help Rey reconcile the broken part of Ben (and therefore the galaxy).

    they defeated the Empire, but didn't heal the wound it left in the galaxy.
    Snoke and the FO and the Resistance and the New Republic are just outward manifestations of this internal wound.
    if this ST is truly about balance, maybe it's not about winning or losing, but about final reconciliation.
     
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    Exactly this. Rey is the ultimate redeemer.
    Balance was restored but Vader's shadow lived on.
    The Empire became the FO.
    The Emperor became Snoke.
    Vader became Kylo Ren.
    Rey needs to find a way to truly, as you say, heal the wound.

    And when you look at Rey, when you see how she has turned out despite having such an awful life,
    it becomes apparent that she is perfect for the job. If she can find it in herself to not be bitter about her life,
    retain hope and forgive the people that left her (which she shows she does by patiently waiting for them to return),
    then I am betting that she is the perfect choice to reconcile the galaxy as a whole...and of course help Ben Solo.
     
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    excellent point about the fact that Rey could have been very bitter.
    which is exactly what's stoked the FO.
    they are living in the past, feeling like they were maligned and ill-treated and usurped and they are revenging themselves on the galaxy for it.
    Rey is the antithesis of that.

    and i'll take you one step further: maybe the Resistance is wrong.
    Leia began it to try to stomp on the FO because the New Republic would not support her.
    maybe that's because the New Republic was making an earnest diplomatic attempt--maybe avoiding the war was really the right thing to do.
    maybe it's Leia's fault that the Hosnian system is kaput--Hux specifically cites this as one of his reasons for nuking it.

    food for thought, all.
     
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    We're also yet to know Snoke's motivation. If he isn't Plagueis (*sobs*) then it could make sense that he was, in some way, created by the actions of our heroes/the Resistance. I'm not saying this puts Snoke in the right of course, but just as you point out, suggesting that by fighting they may resurrected the Dark Side themselves.
     
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    Excelent food. Had the Resistance never of started attacking the FO, the FO will never of had an excuse 4 the SKB.
     
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    exactly ~ these are all very personal grudges that everyone's schlepping around. people who have been hurt, who have had something taken from them, who were not supported in the way they needed to be in order to stay healthy and strong.

    the FO is wrong. but i think they're just misguided. in the same way the New Republic sees Vader as a villain, they see Leia as a villain.
    history is written by the winners. in the EU we've seen a lot of Imperials who are just people trying to get along in the galaxy. they're not bad people, and yet their whole world was destroyed. there's enough vengeance to go around for everyone at this point. and that's why i think they can't resolve this conflict with more war.

    Snoke, hopefully, will become the common enemy against whom they will all fight. and even in the end, though he may have his own justifiable reasons, he won't be willing to compromise for the good of the galaxy--and therefore he has to go. same for any FO or Republic people who likewise cannot see a peaceful future for everyone.
     
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    This is why I like the speculations that Finn will start an uprising among the FO. It fits with this theme, which they have been exploring in the new EU. And, it fits with the character of Finn himself: his defection to the Resistance proves that the FO rank-and-file aren't uniformly just one-dimensional bad guys.
     
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    Rey symbols the core themes of SW. The ability of let go the past and forgiveness.
    Ben binds himself to the past so far even if he has identified the problem itself:"Let the past die". Also Luke and Leia have their troubles to let "the past die".

    Rey is the kickstarter for starting the forgivness- process.
     
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    i like that idea too! i don't think there's any hope of saving them all, but we can certainly save some of them!

    interesting about Luke and Leia. we certainly see it with Leia: she never reconciled her bitterness toward her father and that's had a huge negative impact on her life. with Luke it's less apparent what he's holding onto (fear regarding Ben, i'm guessing).

    so yeah, a lot of the past still needs to be dealt with. : o p
     
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    Great points @FN-3263827, @master_shaitan, @oldbert.

    The galaxy is in a state of total chaos. There is hurt, misery and loss on both sides. Now more than ever, kindness needs to be risked to overcome injury otherwise the cycle of destruction will continue.

    Someone must risk returning injury with kindness,
    or hostility will never turn to goodwill.
    So the wise always give without expecting gratitude.
    One with true virtue always seeks a way to give.
    One who lacks true virtue always seeks a way to get.
    To the giver comes the fullness of life:
    to the taker, just an empty hand. (Tao Te Ching, v .79)

    To me, the greatest moment when the Force flowed its strongest was back when Luke confronted Vader in the Emperor's throne room. When the core themes you guys mentioned were present. When the powers of reconciliation, healing, forgiveness and letting go of the past were present. Back when the power of virtue triumphed the power of the Force. But that message has been lost. The one downside of Vader's death is the chaos the galaxy is now in. In his last moments, Vader was a changed man and I believe he would've helped retain the balance of the Force. Its something I think Luke must've wished for - the guidance of his father. Would Kylo Ren have risen had Vader still lived? Vader began his redemption but never got to fully finish it. Because of that, the chaos ensues. This is why I believe killing Kylo Ren no matter what doesn't automatically solve the bigger problem of the galaxy.

    It seems that Snoke's injuries were caused by the Resistance (going by Serkis' comments) and that fuels his motivation. However, maybe a twist is that Snoke suffered much more from emotional damage rather than physical damage. Maybe he lost those that he cared for. In the same way Kylo uses the Dark Side to hide his emotional pain, maybe Snoke exemplifies that to an even greater degree:

    "The thing about Snoke is that he is extremely strong with the Force, the dark side of the Force. He’s terribly powerful, of course. But he is also a very vulnerable and wounded character. He has suffered and he has suffered injury. The way that his malevolence comes out is in reaction to that. His hatred of the Resistance is fuelled by what’s happened to him personally."

    I think one of Luke's biggest fears is the resurrection of Vader. Part of the reason why Snoke may have targeted Ben is because Luke's nephew would embody that fear in the worst possible way.
     
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