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Both Luke and Leia are carrie Anakin genes, Anakin blood. But only Luke Skywalker name.
Correct term would be Anakins line, not Skywalker line. Both Luke and Leia can continue Anakin's line.
But Leia can continue Skywalker line only if her childrens are named Skywalker.

Skywalker is indeed just a family name, just like Solo or Organa.
That is why there is no logic in calling someone Skywalker if his name is Organa or Solo.

House Habsburg was your example. Daughters of house Habsburg were Habsburg ( until marriage ), but their childrens were not considered Hasburg. And they were never reffered as Habsburg.

 

Actualy people are stubborn about the name if they call someone Skywalker just because they have one ancestor who was Skywalker. Leia is Skywalker, because she is born as Skywalker but renamed Organa as child. But it seems that she considers itself Organa.

So far Star Wars universe was indeed very similar to Earth regarding names. Organa Family took names from male-lines.
Naboo from female-lines. But it was same as on Earth. At least in current SW movies.


But I do not think that this will be an issue. In my opinion Rey will be Skywalker, not Solo.

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As I said before. It seems that some people can not let go EU and Jacen, Jania Solo.
In their mind ST will be just like EU.

 

It was you who did not understand what I said. If you reread what I originally wrote.

1. Normally a child inherits the name of his paternal father. A girl, will take the name of her spouse, though that is not always done. We have no evidence one way or the other if it is done in star wars as the only couple who was definitely married was Anakin and amidala. Although there is a "mrs. Solo", I am not sure where that plot line is going.
2. if a woman has birth before she's married, or in your case, to carry on the family name they can do otherwise. However,
3 If you think that 5 generations later when disney is working on star wars 15 or something have a character with the name Janet BLowbowll is the same as having Janet or Joe Skywalker, you are foolish. You know it matters, it matters a lot in fact.

Now if they are ending the skywalker story at 9, then it doesn't matter at all, because All sky walkers will then die in the film. It would not be the only time its happened. In real life Beethoven and Shakespeare have no direct descendants, there are numerous others.

 

Rey looks the most like a Skywalker, and the vibe I'm getting from the character is that she's a Skywalker. Unlike Mark Hammill, however, I think Daisey Ridley is gorgeous and I can't wait to see her in action (not just because she's gorgeous, but also because she's going to show us she's a Skywalker). What I find interesting, though, is that if she's indeed a Skywalker, I can't really see Kylo Ren as a Skywalker - there's just no similarity at all. I also doubt he's a Solo, because he doesn't look much like a Ford or a Fisher. SO maybe we'll have just one new family member. HOWEVER we know Rey is looking properly distressed in the captain's seat of the Falcon with Chewie, which points (IMO) to her being Han's daughter...

...was there ever a movie where, two months from release, the fans knew so little yet so much?
I'm confused, excited, hyped, pessimistic, optimistic, and a lot more adjectives all at once.
Can we get a new trailer please ... pppppppppplease.

 

And you continue to conflate the terms "family" with "surname."

According to Miriam-Webster, the word "family" means:

family
noun fam·i·ly \ˈfam-lē, ˈfa-mə-\
: a group of people who are related to each other
: a person's children
: a group of related people including people who lived in the past
plural fam·i·lies
Full Definition of FAMILY
1: a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head : household
2 a : a group of persons of common ancestry : clan
b : a people or group of peoples regarded as deriving from a common stock : race
3 a : a group of people united by certain convictions or a common affiliation : fellowship
b: the staff of a high official (as the President)
4: a group of things related by common characteristics: as
a : a closely related series of elements or chemical compounds
b : a group of soils with similar chemical and physical properties (as texture, pH, and mineral content) that comprise a category ranking
above the series and below the subgroup in soil classification
c : a group of related languages descended from a single ancestral language
5 a : the basic unit in society traditionally consisting of two parents rearing their children; also : any of various social units differing from but
regarded as equivalent to the traditional family <a single-parent family>
b : spouse and children <want to spend more time with my family>
6 a : a group of related plants or animals forming a category ranking above a genus and below an order and usually comprising several to
many generations
b : in livestock breeding (1) : the descendants or line of a particular individual especially of some outstanding female (2) : an identifiable
strain within a breed
7: a set of curves or surfaces whose equations differ only in parameters
8: a unit of a crime syndicate (as the Mafia) operating within a geographical area

(emphasis added in underline).

Meanwhile, the same dictionary defines "surname" as follows:

surname
noun sur·name \ˈsər-ˌnām\
: the name that is shared by the people in a family

Full Definition of SURNAME
1: an added name derived from occupation or other circumstance : nickname 1
2: the name borne in common by members of a family

(emphasis added in underline).

Now you may take exception with my choice of dictionary, but what the relevant, basic definitions of these words make clear is that a surname (like Skywalker) is a subset of the larger family (according to the definition, a group of persons of common ancestry). In this case, the family in question is those people descended from Anakin Skywalker. Each descendant is a member of the Skywalker family (beginning with Anakin for convenience and beginning of relevance of that surname), even though they may not all share the same surname (which, according to the definition, is a name borne in common by members of a family). So, in short based upon the basic definitions of the words family and surname, both Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa (or Solo) and their offspring are members of the same family, even if they don't share the same surname (Skywalker). Case closed.

An interesting note from the definitions above: Under definition 2(a) of "family," Meriam Webster calls a group of persons of common ancestry a "clan." I'm sure we have all heard the codenames "the Seven" and "the Clan" associated with the rumored attack on Luke's Jedi academy. Is it possible that the Jedi academy consisted solely of members of his "clan" meaning only his family? Or would Luke consider any force-sensitives to be a part of his family? I say no, given the famous ROTJ lines to Leia that were repeated in Teaser 2... But this still raises an interesting question in my mind: If the "clan" consisting solely of members of Luke's family (immediate offspring and nieces/nephews) was attacked, it certainly makes his rumored self-imposed exile and limited role more understandable, to me at least. Sure, Luke would be upset over losing any apprentice, but even more so if they were all members of his family. Just some food for thought, but I find it interesting...

 

Your reasoning is quite strange.
They are related. They are even a same family in genetic sense ( if they are not several generations separated ). But they are not Skywalker family.
Skywalker is last name attributed to people who bear that last name.

As is stated in your quote:

surname
noun sur·name \ˈsər-ˌnām\
: the name that is shared by the people in a family
the name borne in common by members of a family


Descendant of Anakin Skywalker is not equel Skywalker.
They are maybe family, but they are not Skywalker family.

Padme was Naberrie. Why not called them Naberrie family then. Luke and Leia are Naberrie in your logic.

 

Not publicly, no. But would someone in Leia's position want her association with Anakin/Vader known? Maybe her true identity coming out will be a major event moving forward?....

 

My reasoning is strange? Based on all of the positive ratings I have received and all of the negative ratings you have received on this topic, it seems rather clear that the consensus is my reasoning and logic is correct. Again, I have provided you with dictionary definitions to illustrate the point as clearly as possible. A surname is a subset of a family. To make it clear, a family is larger than a group sharing the same surname. A "surname" describes members of a larger family who share the same name. But that is not exclusively everyone who is a member in the larger family. Again, tell every female in a society that uses a patrilineal naming convention that they are no longer members of their family once the marry someone with a different last name. But yeah, you're right, my logic and reasoning is strange.

Absolutely, they are. It is just that people in your family as you go further back through history had different surnames. They are all still part of the same family. It is why they call it a family tree. Whether you go up the branches or down the roots, it potentially expands dramatically as you move away from yourself either forward or backward in time.

What you don't seem to understand is that we are calling it the "Skywalker family" because Anakin Skywalker is the earliest force sensitive member of his family (that we are aware of) and he and his family from that point forward were uniquely powerful in the force... which is what sets his family after him apart from everyone else in the galaxy. So while we are referring to his surname to label his family, it is merely that: a label. It has zero importance in determining who is actually in his family. Again, this is a closed case. If you choose to continue to argue it, you only risk further negative ratings, but whatever.

EDIT: You said:

"People who are relatives" aka a family. That is precisely what you are mixing up: family with name.

 

I think Leia considers Organa her family.
Her in real sence of that word father was Bail Organa. He raised her with his wife. And Leia considers them her parents.
Basically Organa family is the only family he knew her entire life.

I do not think that she has any emotional connection with Anakin.

 

Wow, that is myopic. I guess by your logic she doesn't even consider Luke her brother... Does she consider the Organa family to be her parents, sure. But I highly doubt she completely denies the existence of her biological origins.

 

You know what is really strange? The surname Organa

 

It is strange because it seems that you did not understood definition.

1. The name that is shared by the people in a family

This is really straight foward. People of the same family have same name.

2. The name borne in common by members of a family

Means all people born with that name are in family.


So people can be a family even with different last names. But they can not be call a family with name they do not all share.
Yes they are family, but not Skywalker family.

Skywalker family are members who are all born with Skywalker name.

 

Yeah, I did not "understood" it. You are the one who did not understand the definition of family. Hell, you flat out acknowledge it in one breathe ("So people can be a family even with different last names") and then negate it by the next thing you say when you confuse the definitions of family and surname ("But they can not be call [sic] a family with name [surname] they do not all share. Yes they are family, but not Skywalker family."), just as I have said all along. What you should say is, "Yes they are a family, but not all with the Skywalker surname."

This is as clear as day. I will say it one last time: A surname used within a family is a subset (meaning a smaller part) of that family. We are starting with Anakin Skywalker and looking forward at his offspring, also known as descendants. They are all in his "Skywalker" family, even if they are called something else. Period.

 

A name is a label that is likely not respected by the force. Clearly not a concern for the principal prophetic voice of 6 movies Yoda.

As for the Hapsburg I know the last names changed but the reason it was viewed as a threat to all Europe was they through marriage consolidated the families power.

I take it when you go to huge family unions and pass out the family tee only those who kept their name at marriage are still members of the family.

My money is on Luke having no kids. Leia is just as much Skywalker as Luke.

A rose by any other name would be just as strong in the force.

 

I do not consider my ancestors my family. My family are my sibilings, my father my mother. Grandfaters and grandmothers and cousins are my extended family.
But that is it.
Ancestors are just ancestors. All people on earth have same ancestor. But that does not mean that You and I are in same family.

It would be pointless to call Liku Bumphump a Skywalker just because 15 generations ago he had ancestor called Anakin Skywalker.

Skywalker is indeed last name. Last name is indeed very important for most people. It is soo important to you also, because you will still call people with that name even if they are not born with it. So last name is indeed very important to you also.

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Yes if indeed Leia would have childrens called Organa, her childrens would still be very strong in the force.
Organa family would become force sensitive.

They would have Anakin genes that never was an issue. Leia is born as Skywalker so that was never an issue aswell.

Passing on next generation is an issue.

 

Yes but if Snoke says "We must destroy the last Jedi and ensure that the last scion of Skywalker is brought to me" then whoever Snoke is speaking about is THE NEW SKYWALKER.

 

You can consider whoever you want to fit into your narrow version of "family." You even acknowledge that there is an "extended family." How far people choose to extend and consider their family by name, is up to them, I guess. But biology is what determines who is a part of your genetic family. And that is indisputable. If you choose not to acknowledge Liku Bumphump a Skywalker after the passing of 15 generations, so be it. But genetically, that person is part of his family as a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great granddaughter/grandson. (Sorry, I am not familiar with the gender affiliation of the name Liku.)

Are you correct that in the Star Wars movie-verse the surname "Skywalker" is important? On some level, yes. More so to the viewers of the movies than the characters themselves. But when we are talking about a nine (or even 12) episode saga, the failure to recognize the rumored granddaughter of Anakin Skywalker (if she has the Organa or Solo surname) as his "family" is quite frankly ridiculous... and that is exactly where you started in this debate, even though your argument has changed over and over.

See? This is a prime example of how your imprecise language confuses you in this debate. What you just said suggests that now all of the Organa family (including all ancestors) magically became force-sensitive when Leia was born. Of course this is silly, because Leia was adopted, but it demonstrates how confused you are about the definitions of these terms you are using...

In all fairness, I doubt Snoke (or anybody else in the galaxy for that matter) are aware that Leia is descended from the Skywalker family. But you make an excellent point. If that is what Snoke says, it strongly suggests that Luke has children of his own. If he (and the galaxy) are aware, however, he could be referring to a child of Leia...

 

Yes but genetic family can not be called with one specific last name, because genetic family my consist of entire pile of last names.
And in biology they are not called with specific name, thy are called by specific genes or chromosome types.

Basically You and I have similar genes, like all humans. And all humans are same genetic family. But I will not call alll humans with my Family name.

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It is about legacy. Family name is something that is important to most people.
Skywalker is a name important for this saga.

Skywalker is protagonist of this story.
First name people think when you mention Star Wars is Skywalker.

 

I don't know what else to tell you because your argument keeps changing. At times, you demonstrate that you understand the difference between "family" and "surname" but at other times you post something that runs completely contrary to it. Yes, you may call someone who has a different last name from you by their last name (whether by marriage or otherwise). But that does not mean they are not in your family. For the purposes of this discussion, we are calling descendants of Anakin "Skywalkers" because that was his last name. But just because someone descended from him has a different surname, does not mean they are not in his "family." Family ≠ Surname. That is all I can tell you.