SPECULATION The Official Leia Discussion Thread

I hope they give Leia something else to do beyond Mon Mothma-like scenes. Maybe not have her become Lady Vader but SOMETHING for crying out loud.

Also, parents don't last very long in Disney films... just saying.

 

What would be really kewl is some conflict scene, and Senator Organa is pushed down and off to the side while the attacker faces off with Solo... and then in the background you hear the distinct sound of a lightsaber activating

 

Badass. I love Leia coming to Han's aid.
Also, we HAVE to mirror the "I love you" "I know" exchange somewhere. With a twist, of course. Would be a miss not to.

 

Leia saying it to Han would be epic.

 

Just as he sacrifices himself. YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE. Would add even more emotion to the scene.

 

Already done in ROTJ, maybe Han should say it to Leia again. On a side note, the whole reignited but low key romance in Indiana Jones was one of the few things that I liked about it, maybe they will do something like that in TFA. I remember an EU subplot that Han was sort of grumpy about Leia not retiring from the Rebellion after the Empire was mostly defeated (like he did), this could be incorporated again as it's a perfect little bit of character development.

 

While I like the idea, I think that if any info we have gotten about Han in this movie is accurate it can be rest assured he is far from retired. Seems like he is more involved in the fight against the Empire than Leia is in this film, though we have heard/seen absolutely no references to her so that is hard to gauge accurately.

 

Found her... she was in NYC the whole time!

 

Could Leia Have A Child That Was a Virgin birth Just like shimmi in Episode 1. I mean if its happen before it can happen again. maybe virgins births are a Skywalker trait. maybe the Ancient Fear is Awaken and the Force impregnates Leia with A child with A high midi chloreans to balance the force

 

Carrie Fisher will be on The Craig Ferguson Show on Monday night. His interviews are always very laid back as he kinda shoots the blast with his guests. Fisher is always entertaining as I'm sure he will ask her about the new SW movie.

 

As much as I love the OT, I was never a huge fan of the Luke/Leia conversation on Endor when he breaks the news that their siblings.

The OT context felt creepy because they smooched in ESB. The PT context didn't work because Leia remembers their real mom, yet she died in childbirth.

So I watched ROTJ for the first time in context that we have a new trilogy and the scene really works now!

You're not thinking about past plot holes, you're now thinking of Leia as a full fledged Jedi 30 years later? You're thinking about their possible offspring that will save the galaxy in the ST?

In a sense, this scene works best only if there is an ST. Luke/Leia siblings felt shoehorned in the OT, but when you add 7,8,9, it makes you appreciate that plot point now.

 

I went back and watched ROTJ recently, and it definitely gives you ideas knowing that there's more films on the way..

I reckon Kylo Ren is the 'what if Luke joined the Emperor' character. Luke turned down the opportunity to join the dark side, so his creep of a nephew takes the job instead.

 

First, the two banthas in the room:

1. Politics are not what Star Wars is about. No one wants C-Span with their space opera... just look at how politics bogged down the PT. So we can assume Disney is not going to spend a lot of time on Galactic Senate Hearings. At most, we'll learn of anything politically important in the opening crawl.

2. The term '(insert scandal)gate' is horribly overused... but sadly, it works as commonly understood shorthand for a scandal usually with political underpinnings as per Watergate where the term originates.

Okay, now that the banthas are out of the way, let's boogie.

How would you feel if the President of Planet Earth just so happened to be the Pope's sister? Not so good, eh? "Conflict of interest!" you say?

Now imagine Leia as the leader of the Republic... with one helluva secret in her blood. Would you be comfortable with the leader of the galaxy being the daughter of a dark lord of the Sith?

Now imagine being an ambitious Republic politician, a rival to Leia (O hai Lupita!)... and somehow you discovered Leia's secret.

You could very easily out her and create a scandal that could rock the galaxy. It could start with Leia being forced out of office, but if you were charismatic enough, you could paint all force users as too dangerous to be left to their own devices. Next thing you know... 50's style McCarthyism in Hollywood happens with people outing force users left and right. Of course, this isn't Order 66... this time force users will be kept in internment camps.

Ironically enough, you could even persuade all non-force users, including your former enemy, the Empire, to join you in hunting down jedi and placing them in these camps.

How would you do it though? Easy, farm out some of the work to bounty hunters and pirates.

This would lead to a gray zone alright:

Republic + Empire vs Jedi + Sith

Former enemies coming together to face a common threat. "It binds the galaxy together" takes on an all-new meaning.

Might the rumored weapon that can ID a force user come into play here? Toss in some elements of Days of Future Past... Swap out mutants for force users... and there ya go.

OR do we reel this in and make it more intimate...

Perhaps Leia is outed and rather than a search for all force users, we see something smaller scale: a witch hunt for all Skywalkers and Solos.

How do you think Vadergate would play out? How would Leia react? Would Republic planets and their populaces care? Would Leia be forced out or manipulated by whomever uses the secret as leverage? Does Vader become a symbol for a new resistance made up of all force users? Would you hate to see this? Still too political? Did you hate the Pope analogy because most Popes look like Sheev? Are you still my friend?

Speak your piece!

 

I'm still your friend, Willybobo.

This is super intriguing...I agree that the politics bogged the prequels down but some part of me still wants to see Leia in the senate building in the center pod as the figurehead of the new regime, but I would also agree that she would have to keep this news a secret. I doubt we will get more than a glimpse into Leia as a leader (most will be implied). In our world there's no way someone would be elected without the scrutiny of a rigorous background check and they would surely find out who her father is. So it's possible that she is not the leader. The leaked descriptions of her attire is not a political attire. She's still at war. She wears a jumpsuit.

 

I do enjoy the thought of a witch hunt. While it could indeed be relegated to just the Skywalker/Solo family, I imagine certain revelations could be made in order to turn a large portion of the galaxy against Force users. Rather, I would like to think something similar would've happened in the time between RotJ and TFA.

While I'm unsure they'll go such a route, having it be not just the Empire but rather all peoples (even down to the core citizen) being against Force users would make for a good trilogy in which, part of it at least, is about the rebuilding of the people's faith in general Force-usage. I'd figure if the information could be found (not sure how much was documented), someone could embark on a campaign of showing how Force-users had been the major catalyst for the several conflicts over the past decades that had claimed countless lives and saw much turmoil... all after what was a relatively long period of peace and stability prior.

I'm a fan of the witch hunt theory. Do I think Vader will be lauded as a symbol? No... at least not for a general Force-user cause, but... maybe as a symbol for a certain cult that may or may not be Sith-oriented. Though... I think bringing in multiple factions (we already have the rumored Rebel faction that is pro-super weapon as opposed to the normal Rebels) would probably be a bit too political, and possibly too complicated.

As a side-note to the factions thing though, I certainly would like to see stormtroopers going against stormtroopers.

 

Thanks for the replies guys!

A few things that struck me @PoeReyMi
Is there realistically anything we want to see Leia doing outside of a scene or two 'negotiating with Hutts', bickering with Han, or standing in front of a hologram of an attack plan a la Mon Mothma? Unless she's become a force user... I feel like she's fairly limited as a character.. and not very marketable, bless her soul.

@John Crichton I think you're right... having all non-force users be against force users is an interesting foundation for the ST. The PT saw the rise of the Sith thanks to an arrogant Jedi council, while the OT saw the rise of the Republic against an Empire with arguably the deadliest Sith master/apprentice combos.... so both trilogies have been PR nightmares for THE FORCE in the eye of the common man/woman/child.

 

Honestly I'm more worried about Carrie Fisher the actress not Princess Leia the character. Have you heard her voice lately? Yeesh. Talk about shrill.

 

I know... I hate to say it, but she seems to be a train wreck... yes, yes, worked with a trainer... still looks a mess and that voice... eek. (crosses fingers)

 

Heck, I think this could have been a major plot line in the ST back in the 80's if they decided to use Luke, Leia and Han as the main characters. I think she would be forced out if her true identity was revealed, because it would mirror Palpatine's rise. She gets elected as a good guy that wants to do good deeds, but ends up having a very dark secret that could take down the republic.

As much as I bash the PT, the politics is the one thing I LOVED from that trilogy. Palpatine's arc was quite interesting, and it would have given the ST a nice contrast of the 2 characters: One that wants ultimate power and one that wants ultimate good, but them being a jedi/sith is what eventually brings them down. It really could have set up a moral play on the force and being a jedi in the ST (which they could still cover since we don't know the plot of the new movies.)

 

I hope she's still believable as Leia. My biggest concern for this film does not stem from the plot. It stems from Fisher. I think she's hilarious and reminds me of my fiance's mom (in a good way) but she's done some hard living.