The Rian Johnson Thread

ANYONE who goes into ANY film with their own "theory" of how it should go, is, I don't know, an idiot? Stupid? Why in the hell would you EXPECT it to be _____? I get speculation, as that can be fun, but you are in NO WAY the be all/end all. Further, you aren't writing the script/story.

I get being disappointed when a book comes out (or a film) and it's just not satisfying (a great example for me was when GRRM released A Feast For Crows. It is an interesting book, and lots of great things happen, but I was disappointed as it totally and completely left out two of my favorite characters/regions. However, that is far different than this, at least in my estimation. I expected an interesting story, and (again in my opinion) I got it. To each his own, I guess, but the fume is quite honestly ridiculous. People saying he has ruined Star Wars (If TPM and AOTC didn't ruin it then this sure as heck won't), they need a drink, they are crying because of what he did to Luke, etc... just silly.

 

I agree with you. Speculation is one of my favorite things, I love to speculate about literally everything but I full and well know that when it's time to enter that theater I have to leave what I think at the door because I'm pretty much assured to be wrong, but that doesn't stop people. I don't wanna say that everyone hating on the film is doing so just because they ended up being wrong, but a lot of people are... and we were given fair warning that they would be.

Rian Johnson told us that Snoke's character or Rey's parentage aren't things to just fill up a Wikipedia page with, they aren't for us, they're things that serve the story that's being told. Even less than a week before the film, Rian warned us that the fan theories were wrong, that we hadn't really nailed anything... but that still didn't stop people from thinking they'd be right.

 

I fall into the former category.

 

But look did exactly what Luke would do in the end! I just don’t understand the backlash. I though his odd behaviour was a nod to Yoda and just makes sense considering his been a hermit for years.

 

"I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character."

I knew right away that Mark was not sugar coating the direction of Luke Skywalker. And for Mark Hamill, who is so invested in Star Wars and Luke Skywalker, to bring that up to Rian Johnson and in an interview, it's truly heartbreaking. Just thinking about Luke's journey and growth in the original trilogy when comparing it to his fate in the TLJ is incredibly sad. I feel very apologetic for Mark to have to put on a performance like that.

 

Rian Johnson's approach to this film. Did it subvert your expectations? Of course. Does it automatically make it the right choice? No. Was it lazy? Yeah.

 

I 100% agree.

 

I'm definitely not interested in a Rian Johnson trilogy. It would just be a lot of good-looking nonsense. Although I am curious if he would treat his own characters with more respect and logic?

 

Based on his work on Looper and the very positive early reviews of TLJ I was very excited about RJ heading a new trilogy.

After seeing TLJ I have zero expectations or excitement about it. He might as well be working on 3 more Guardians of the Galaxy movies, that’s more the aesthetic and not something I’m interested in. It’s a bummer.

 

I'm not sure if making a comparison between the simplest problem that one can come up with when studying Pythagorean theorem and filmmaking is accurate. If we really want to compare Episode VIII to maths, it would be more accurate to think of it as a solution to a problem that was not considered in a markscheme. Some teachers would give in this situation a student no marks, as he didn't solve it the intended way and others would go along with it.

 

Then who would you want to helm a spin off Star Wars trilogy?

 

I’d be excited if Denis Villeneuve was handed the new trilogy. I loved his work on Sicaro and Arrival. Blade Runner 2049 dragged a bit, but was very well done.

I fully understand this is not going to happen, but a guy can dream.

 

Rian Johnson hates the original Star Wars trilogy. JJ Abrams loved the original trilogy and wrote a love letter to the franchise with the Force Awakens, even if the movie was a rehash, you feel respect and reverence. Rian Johnson hates the original trilogy, and all the silly macho pulp trappings it represents. He intentionally made a movie that shits all over what Star Wars stands for (destiny, and family lineage, lightsaber battles, evil emperors, the notion of heroism). Male heroism is tossed aside as recklessness. The film represents a hatred of Star Wars; a hatred of fun time escapist films.

 

hmm I think it was good

 

lol yeah the general public despising this film is pretty funny. Oops, there goes another % (was at 56 yesterday)

 

I hope he never directs a Star Wars commercial let alone an entire trilogy.

 

The reason why so many people including myself enjoyed TFA is bc it does have similar elements found in ANH. The original trilogy defined what Star Wars is all about. TFA felt more like a Star Wars movie than TLJ because TLJ just lacked a certain element found in the original trilogy. I did not feel like any characters in TLJ had the same growth as Luke, Han and Leia had in the sequels. Disney decided to change the tone of the franchise. I respect their courage but they really disembodied what Star Wars is all about.

 

No need to be so antagonistic.

And the RT audience score means very little. Check out the other threads addressing this issue.

 

You would be as disappointed as you are right now. Blade Runner does the same "disservice" to Deckard and Rachel as Abrams and Johnson did to Luke, Leia and Han. Looking at his other films, Denis' SW would have been even more divisive. If you make a sequel to a film after such a long time, the main heroes cannot be happy at the beginning of the next chapter of the story. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Cristal Skull, Toy Story 3, new Blade Runner, Cars 3, SW sequels and you can probably count a couple more. This is the reality of things.