The truth about Snoke (Attention: TLJ Spoilers)

This is what I personally think: Snoke is not dead and gone, far from it.

Quoting the text from the visual dictionary:

"He obscures himself with distance, being forever unreachable save for a select few who can contact him directly. Even under such circumstances, Snoke disguises his true nature"

He is obviously not present in his true form in TLJ, and most likely uses the form that we see him in as a vessel. When the vessel is destroyed he moves to another, to never reveal what he really is. His enemies can't really get to him while he can get to them. Maybe that is how he has been present for such a long time, moving from vessel to vessel and changing forms while his true form is hidden somewhere.

I believe that who/what Snoke really is and what he really looks like, is something that is yet to be revealed. I read somewhere that J.J said that Ep 9 may tie together all the three trilogies. Maybe Snokes true identity and form has something to do with that? Whatever it turns out to be I think Snoke still has a major part to play in this story.

 

Why "obviously"? I see nothing in that quote that supports this claim. It's much more probable that it just means using a giant hologram to communicate with Kylo and Hux, just like we saw in TFA.

 

Uh...Luke was also a force projection and he wasnt even hurt one bit by the many walkers on Crait but Anakin's lightsaber literally cut Snoke in half

 

Well, it says that a select few can contact him directly and even under those circumstances he disguises his true nature. I interpret that as if he is hiding his true form even when these select few stand befoere him, like that is not really Snoke that they are standing before, only his vessel. So I think it is pretty obvious that he is hiding/protecting his true form.

 

I dunno. We have Snoke die, and then the last 1/4 of the movie is about Force projection and illusion and Luke literally being a force god in battle of Crait.

 

I think y'all are still too hung up on Snoke being the Big Bad. He's almost irrelevant. Kylo Ren is the Big Bad. What, Snoke's going to come back in IX and "demote" Kylo from the pinnacle of his character arc? In terms of the narrative that's not going to work. At all.

 

This Force projection thing is obviously interesting, if not foreign to what has come before, and this thread is raising some interesting possibilities, even with respect to Plagueis. I am going to take it a bit further and really see if I can bake your noodle.

Snoke is not the projection of Plagueis, instead Plagueis may have been the projection of Snoke.

After all, Palpatine's Contingency and pull to something truly dark and evil he felt in the unknown regions, as described in the Expanded Universe novels, could suggest that everything that he experienced, even his first becoming a Sith under the tutelage of "Plagueis" and ultimately usurping his master, could have been... all along... masterminded by Snoke projecting himself as Plagueis. Perhaps the real Snoke is still trapped or set up in those Unknown Regions.

 

I believe snoke is really dead. I think his backstory will factor into ep 9 but I don't think he's alive. I think he was arrogant enough to not feel he needed to project himself for protection. He believed he had kylo ren broken like a pimp with his prostitute. He had to sense kylos anger toward him but I don't think he expected him to have the balls to do anything about it. His death was a big surprise to me, I expected him to be around for the next one, but that level of surprise is part of why I loved the movie. I wouldn't be shocked if it was all some big manipulation but I think the star wars history of deaths that weren't really deaths (maul, boba fett) makes it seem like the obvious explanation, but this movie seemed to be avoiding the obvious

 

Star Wars has always paid homage to The Wizard of Oz, and it occurred to me that there might be a man behind the curtain somewhere. We knew far too little about Snoke, and Kylo Ren seems much too childlike and ambiguous to suddenly become the big bad. Whether he is a Force Projection, a hologram, or my personal favorite, a possessed innocent, it was too early on the series to kill him if Kylo Ren is not prepared by the powers that be to be something truly vicious and evil.

 

This isn’t to do with anyone expecting him to be the “puppet master”. Andy Serkis said he was told that his character (Snoke) was more powerful than Anakin (Vader) and Sitdious and basically had unlimited power.

What I do not understand about the folks resisting these ideas is this: the visual dictionary itself states that nobody, no one has seen Snoke’s true form, not even those who are permitted to converse directly with him. This means that the Snoke we saw in TLJ is not the real Snoke- No one has truly “seen” him yet, not the characters, or the audience.

 

If we learned one thing from The Last Jedi, Disney no longer cares about what the audience gets because there’s a lot that’d confuse a non die hard.

 

Yes it cemented Kylo's place, however it also left him without an antagonist.

I cannot see a satisfying Star Warsy ending for Kylo at this point, aside from him finding some place of spiritual absolution. How does he get to that point without anything around that is more "evil" or dark than he is?

Snoke, or the entity/spirit inhabiting the corporeal body that was killed, almost HAS to still be alive and well. Otherwise we are left with Kylo Ren ruling the galaxy, Rey having empathy for him to a certain degree but knowing he must be stopped, and a fractured, decimated rebellion err resistance that is trying to regroup. This leaves almost no avenue for a redemption of Kylo's spirit. There is no road for him to take to absolution This leaves us with Rey killing Kylo. He said, She said. Murder-Death-Kill. Blah. Blah. Blah. The End.

There HAS to be something that is still greater and more threatening than himself, or his character goes nowhere.

If this was intended to be a singular redemption story, it is quite likely that Leia was going to be the pulling force. That cant be the case for obvious reasons at this point and to be honest, the only relationship Kylo has is with Rey and I don't see there bond getting to the point where he sacrifices himself for her. . . without a greater good also hanging in the balance.

Snoke is Bane. Snoke is Plagueis. Snoke is Snoke. Something. But the thing he is not, is dead.

He is coming after Kylo and Kylo will have to sacrifice himself to stop this great evil coming from the Unknown Regions.

 

It was great to see him in the wrinkly flesh. No blue hologram makeover this time.

 

Don't forget his fabulous fashion sense! Gold robe and slippers and oh, his jewellery! He would've made a great senior citizen fashion model!

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 15, 2017 ---

I think this need to be clarified a little. It might (might) mean his hologram in TFA.

 

The "how" I haven't seen anyone mention yet is possession. I am of the opinion that astral projection is more of light way of being in two places at once and, as Luke showed, could result in becoming one with the force. Possession seems to be the logical dark version of this power, which likely can result in the death of the corporeal body that is being possessed.

I find it intriguing that we may have been seeing a possession and that the dark spirit doing the possessing is now without a body.

 

I think Force Ghost interacting with the environment was the next logical step. I mean Qui-Gon became apart of the living force but he didn't have the ability to become a force ghost with a body. Obi-Wan learned the technique from Qui-Gon but was able to figure out how to have a show up as a force ghost. It's not that far fetched that Yoda learned what Obi-Wan did and figured out how to interact with the physical world. Maybe Luke figured out what Yoda does and take it to the next level and can become a physical person or a force ghost at will? It's not that far fetched

Yes

 

I had thought about something similar but perhaps Snoke's plan was to posses Kylo, perhaps his interest in Kylo all along was to forge a strong suitable vessel to posses.

 

Or he might be slowly possessing Kylo. He did have a pretty good read on his mind.

 

Possession, projection. I would expect the entity known as Snoke to be familiar with it all. An entity older than the Republic and the Empire, an entity more powerful than Palpatine and Vader, an entity with almost limitless power with the force. I believe his tale is far from over.

Possession would work as a method to cheat death - which tends to be the aim of most dark side entities: unnaturally long life, immortality without returning to and becoming one with the force. I believe he is well versed in both the light and the dark sides of the force, he is ancient, potentially pre-dating the Jedi. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Snoke is "in" Kylo's mind in some form, even though his corporeal form (if it wasn't an illusion but instead a possession) has been destroyed. Kylo will undoubtedly continue to be under the influence of this dark entity, otherwise there is no test for Kylo to overcome.