THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Finding events that parallel 2 movies doesn't make it anywhere near the same. This debate is pointless.

 

Uhhh, actually show up.

The emotions????? The death of heros and villains

I don't care about these characters remaining. This trilogy has not given me a reason to care about these new characters. We still 2 movies in do not even know who they are. Maybe the writers, whomever should spend 2 movies building up who these characters are and what they story is before making them the heros and big bad villains.

No they spent two movies making a cash cow off of nostalgia but forgot do develop the rest of the story.

So know they are left making ridiculous scenarios to force these new heros and villains to the forefront.

 

Ok, the line "BB-8 plays whackamole with a freaking motherboard" is pretty darn funny.

You all do realize that a video like this can be made for all of the OT films. Especially ANH since there are so many convenient plot points.

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Ask a 7 or 8 year old what they think. You guys are seriously forgetting that these movies are still for the younger generations. That's why you don't get tons and tons of explanations for everything. They know that adult fans can supplement the films with books, comics, animated series, etc. We can seek out the answers. Not everyone is a die hard that needs to know what life was like for Ben Solo as a teenager or how Snoke gained power to lead the FO. It's just not important to the story they are telling, which is the story of Rey and Kylo.

 

Yeah, guys. It's this really interesting story about a guy who just became more evil and this other girl who masters extremely advantageous Force abilities purely on instinct alone. Isn't it great?

 

Look if I was to change this film, here is a list of things that would have made it better in my opinion.

1. Don't have Luke light the saber. Have him grab it. Look at it, then look at Ben. Don't ignite the green. Less crazy eyes.
2. The low speed chase. I wouldn't have made the fuel that big of a plot point. Have them jump and be found. Then try and fight them off. Then jump again to a friendly system and meet up with Maz and some pirates for help. Have the pirates hold them off for a bit, then jump again until you see Crait. Then make a mad dash for the planet. Something like that.
3. Have Rey AND Leia move the rocks.
4. Don't have Leia fly. Have her use the force to shield the others on the bridge from the explosion. Maybe she force pulls an object to protect from the blast. OR think of the daughter Violet in the Incredibles, making the force field. Something like that.
5. Have Lando contact Leia via hologram at the end sending her coordinates to a safe harbor.
6. MORE R2-D2!
7. Tone down the Poe Dameron mutiny plot.
8. Master code breaker. Umm no. How about stow away on a supply ship going to Snokes cruiser or something.

Anyway. I enjoyed the film unlike many here. It had issues. But they all have issues in my opinion. Luke's scenes still give me goosebumps however.

 

So this gives you license to write a bad story???

And BTW a 9 year old just asked me "why did Luke die, that didn't make any sense"

 

I think one point is not highlighted enough in this thread :

_ Luke died to save the RESISTANCE
_ the RESISTANCE needed to be saved because their first escape plan failed
_ the escape plan failed because Finn and Rose brought the wrong slicer with them
_ Finn & Rose failed to recruit the right slicer because they couldn't park properly

In other words :
Luke Skywalker died, and the RESISTANCE got nearly wiped out just because Finn and Rose couldn't park properly.

Let that sink in for a moment. (and don't forget to mention that to anyone praising RJ for his "amazing writing")

 

This is pretty funny. Let's not forget in Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones literally could have done nothing and the outcome wouldn't have changed.

 

At least he didn't make things any worse.

I wish the same could be said here.

 

Watched this video on youtube and I noticed it describes most of my gripes with the last jedi movie, im wondering what people here think of each of these points?

I really advise to everyone to watch the video because it describes everything in more detail, but in any case
here are some short cliffs:

1.Luke as a character inconsistent with how Luke is supposed to be.
2.Phasma being wasted .
3.Forced and bad humor.
4.Snoke no background about him? And killing him off after so much build up.
5.Rey parents being such a build up and so many teasing and now they are nobodies?
6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber.
7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen.
8.Leia flying through space was ridicilous and badly made.
9.Luke's weightless death, pretty ridicilously made.
10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline.

 

The only things that I think it was too much was the comic reliefs scenes, in some moments.
Sorry, but the rest of the things in this list I disagre.

 

Not huge fan of the flying Leia or the use of Phasma, but I liked the rest.

 

Interesting how diverse the voting is so far. I voted 1,4 and 5.

 

1. I don't think it was inconsistent at all. In fact it gave more meaning to why Luke would exile himself.
2. Phasma wasn't needed to begin with. Uninteresting character. Secondary bad guys are rarely ever interesting for risk of overshadowing main cast.
3. If you look at the humor thread, there is no joke that everyone hated. I liked some, I disliked some.
4. I was hoping Kylo would kill him in this movie. I didn't need backstory. We know he was a dark side user from the Unknown Regions. We know he was a master at mind control and manipulation. We know his body is frail but his powers are strong. Putting it all together we have a bad guy that used his influence over the "money" and politicians in the galaxy to revive the remnants of the Empire.
5. I blame JJ for this. Rian had to make her a nobody to keep the story about how a anybody can become a hero. It's not about privilege or bloodline. Notice how Snoke was all about opulence and bloodline? The good guys are about hope coming from the most unlikely places (Rey, Finn).
6. Not remotely needed to tell this story. It will make a good comic one day.
7. Another one that isn't needed for this story to move forward. It sounds like they were simply part of Kylo's past.
8. Execution was a bit over the top. I'll just fast forward over it when I get the blu-ray.
9. I loved Luke's death. I loved Luke's plan. I loved how Luke is now larger than life and an even bigger Legend that will spark the galaxy to action. Luke is the ONLY reason the Resistance aren't wiped out.
10. I didn't like Rose. I would have rather Finn and Poe teamed up. Could have had a mini Lethal Weapon vibe to it.

 

DANG #5 is a wicked awesome idea.

5. Have Lando contact Leia via hologram at the end sending her coordinates to a safe harbor.​

(Other ideas are good too) But that one surprised me & had me instantly thinking "COOL!" And I've never been big on pulling in OT characters but that would fit so well after Han's death.

 

And Finn and Rose went to Canto Bight just because Holdo didn't tell sh*t to Poe. Luke died because one b*tch dicided not to tell about her plan...
What a story, Rian.

 

You are willfully ignoring the similarities.

Is it as unoriginal as TFA? No.

But it isn’t this completely original and fresh film it’s being made out to be either.

There are general similarities to the plot as well as specific aspects and scenes.

Did we really need another throne room scene?

Did the movie really need to open with the empire, I mean first order finding the rebel, I mean resistance base?

Etc, etc.

You can like, even love, these movies but you can’t deny how similar they have been so far. That’s just being dishonest.

 

You do realize they made a conscience effort to keep Lucas theme of “the movies rhyme” with repeating moments that parallel each other. The difference is these movies in no way evoke the feeling of any previous movies. That’s what makes them new and fresh yet familiar and comfortable.

 

Yeah, no.

I get the rhyming thing, though even at that it is overused to explain away why we keep getting the same movie over and over.

Either way, the bottom line is that these movies have yet to be truly original.

So much so, they feel like reboots.

ATOC was an awful movie made by the inventor of « it rhymes » - even it did not just simply repeat the broad strokes of ESB.

Again, you can LOVE TLJ, but saying it is new and fresh is just lies. It isn’t.