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THREAD FOR THOSE WHO FEEL MIXED ABOUT THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Talon Karrde, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Talon Karrde

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    This is a thread for those who walked out with a funny feeling in their mouths. Seriously Rian, what did you zap us with?:p
    Did you walk out feeling like you were disgusted with a good movie? Did you walk feeling like you loved a bad movie? Did a scene/event leave you with thumbs hovering over the triggers?
    We're you like me, and had to see it twice in order to warm up to it?:confused:
    This is your thread. Open up about the conflict inside of you. There's no shame in saying "I don't know what to think about this." Let's get through this together.
     
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    Oh, ffs...
     
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    Where's the "Thread 4 those who only liked the Hyperspace Ram & hated everthing else"?

    We need it!
     
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    I walked out loving the movie. I loved the living sh1t out of this movie! (I honestly did). But after reading all of the bashing, I am thinking about not liking it. The millions who did not like the movie are now causing me to reflect and seriously consider not liking the movie I liked before. I liked it when I saw it, but now I think I don't like it. Canto Bight (which I liked) is presently making me not like it. I don't like Canto Bight now. Or I'm thinking about not liking it. I'm considering it. I'm pondering.

    That, and the pacing. Now that I'm woke, the pacing is all off. I mean, come on! The pacing tho!
     
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    I don't know why people are giving the OP creator a hard time. I think this thread is a brilliant idea. Not everything on the internet has to be "I LOVE IT SO I HAVE OT HATE YOU!" vs "I HATE IT SO I HAVE TO HATE YOU!" I think it's really good to have some room for balance, nuance, and common ground. Personally, this thread fits me perfectly because my opinion of TLJ is that it has some of the best Star Wars moments ever (Kylo/Rey, the cinematography, the new force powers, the acting, etc.) and also some of the absolute worst (Rose, Canto Bight, space "chase," the ooc jokes, etc.)

    So, I know balance and level-headedness doesn't usually get attention on the internet, but, I would love to see this thread continue for those who want it.
     
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    I loved the movie from the beginning but two things happened: First I can’t stop thinking about what Mark Hamill said about Luke and I realize he was absolutely right. RJ did Luke Skywalker wrong. (JJ has his share in it too).Second i am deep into the Thrawn trilogy right now for the first time and this changes everything for me.If only they would have let Timothy Zahn write the ST!:) TLJ is still a very very good movie but I would have preferred an alternative version of events right now.
     
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    I envy you reading the Thrawn trilogy for the first time. A word of advice though, the EU (or now legends) all goes down from there. There's a few decent ones, but nothing quite compares to that one.

    As for this thread, I think it's a good idea.

    I went into theaters thinking I was going to love this movie. The high expectations were completely dashed. I hated it walking out. A month later I'm trying to come to terms with it because after all, this is SW, this is canon. So basically I have to find some way to come to terms with this if I want to enjoy any more SW sagas. After multiple discussions on here, I think there were some interesting take aways from the movie, but overall I don't think I'll ever appreciate TLJ as a movie, much less a SW movie. That said, I can accept the overall plot if I gloss over the details on how they get to the broader strokes of the story RJ tried to tell. To me TLJ is acceptable if summed up.

    Rey meets Luke, gets enough to start her off on the Jedi path. Girl tries to save dark sider and fails, but manages to assist in killing dark siders master, she's also told her parents were drunks. Resistance ran from FO, did some damage but mostly lost a bunch of people. Luke showed off some powers and bought Resistance time to retreat, battered as they are, then Luke died.

    That sums it up good enough for me. No need to mention Canto Bight since it was mostly pointless, thus so was Finn. No need to go into detail over why Luke was in exile, imo it was done poorly. Enough just to know he was. No need to know hyperspace ships can blow up fleets, enough to know the Resistance damaged the enemy. No need to know Leia did a compelling Mary Poppins impression. Enough to know she's still alive. No need to know Hux is a complete moron yet is a leader in FO. There are many more things that don't need mentioning, but I think you all get the picture.
     
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    Thrawn blows me away I am totally immersed in it right now.What about the Jedi academy stuff? Or KOTOR comics ?
     
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    For me, the whole "Snoke-emperor's-throne-scene" describes for me the very feeling of the whole ST (so far) and I'm not able to decide if it is very clever or just lazy: While the scene is one of the (or maybe the) most interesting in the movie - the dialogues between Rey and Kylo, the surprise with Snoke's unexpected death, the whole scenery and the character bonds - it is also just a copy of the Emperor's Throne Room with a little different ending. But while it is just a copy of the Emperor's Throne Room - Snoke's theme, the colours, Snoke's 'bodyguards', the fact, that the "bad skywalker" kills his "master" to save the main jedi in the triology -, there are some aspects, that are new and exciting - the dialogues between Rey and Kylo, the place of the scene in the trilogy (we all have expected such a scene only in Episode IX) - and some aspects and themes, that give the 'copy thing' a narrative sense ("Away with the old ones").
     
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    You'll get a mixed bag depending on who you ask. Jedi Academy is alright, has some really good moments but also jumps the shark a bit too. Most of the rest is forgettable (or worse haha). I never read KOTOR comics, so maybe someone else can help you there. I remember after Thrawn eating up SW books for the next year or two trying to recapture the magic. My advice, re-read Thrawn in about a year or so. It's just as good the second time around and you pick up on stuff you missed the first time.
     
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    What did you think about the pacing? Apparently the pacing is vital.

    Just kidding. I'm with you! Some of the movie was brilliant, some of it was less so. You don't have to be so black and white, love vs. hate, about this movie or any other. Or anything!!

    Good post!
     
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    Will stay with Thrawn.
     
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    I enjoyed the movie for what it is. Defitnely more rewatchable than The Force Awakens which i don’t make the effort to watch ever again. Anyways, I’ve been trying to put my finger on The Last Jedi and figured it out. TLJ felt like it should have just been one of the novels that lead up to the next movie. There was a lot but not a whole lot minus the Luke stuff which needed to happen on screen.
     
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    I feel mixed.


    If I remove Battlestar-Galactica derivate fleet chase, and cheap humor at the moments, , as well as Finn-Rose-DJ-Phasma( definitely a B-movie arc. ), in its other elements film is - a masterpiece.

    Ach-To is masterpiece. Luke' s arc is masterpiece.

    Like some elements were made by Stanley Kubrick, the rest is gluing place holder story written hastily by someone else.

    And for me its definitive.(6 times watched film by now).
     
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    You feel mixed about it but watched it 6 times? Probably a good job there were elements you didn't like else you'd be bankrupted.
     
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    I feel some of this too; if the film had dropped one of the three plotlines (Luke+Rey+Kylo, Canto Bight, Rebel Fleet) then what's left I may have found stronger.

    In a bizarre way, the fleet chase doesn't add too much apart from Poe's attempted mutiny failing; as much as I have issues over the Canto Bight thread I wonder how much stronger the Canto Bight section would have been if we didn't know what was happening on the fleet? Maybe it would have upped the urgency a bit, and then cut back to the fleet with Holdo sacrificing herself to give the the fleeing Rebel transports a chance. It would have given us a chance to have a bit more of Rey's training. #JustWondering

    6 watches? Wow. How did your opinion of the film change/improve with the additional viewings?
     
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    I watched it 6 times for mastepiece moments.(6 times for now)

    Of course, to get the meat in this film one has to take the bones with it .( 6 times for now )

    I recognised masterpiece moments, and the bones to.

    As such I will bough DVD and watch it many times more.

    :cool:
     
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    Even the Hyper Space ram maneuver was questionable. Sure, it looked really good, but if this was a possible thing then why has no one ever used it before. Why not have a droid pilot the ship? Why not set a timer and escape? Why not use a smaller ship, or was the size of the ship important? If so, then show us that. Why not have General Akbar or Princess Leia be the one to do this? Akbar deserved a better death and this could have been the way. And we should have been able to say goodbye to Leia in this movie, and this could have been the way, in order to give meaning to it.
     
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    For the sake of completeness, perhaps there should be a thread entitled, "For Those Who Have No Feelings about the Movie."

    :p

    But, seriously, I think it is natural if mostly everyone did have mixed feelings about any story.

    Often enough, it's the things that don't sit well with us which could be the most essential or revealing -- about the story or ourselves or our own world.

    One can dislike Luke being Vader's son, just as another might dislike Rey for being "nobody," but these can be rather revealing points of information which, over time, can speak to deeper truths in and beyond the story.

    There's a certain amount of fog that naturally seems to exist around each story/film after its release. Getting away from that, gaining some perspective, thinking about other things, and then returning with a fresh mind can be such an eye/mind-opening experience.

    A while back, I sensed Rebels was a somewhat inconsequential (borderline irrelevant) storyline. I went away from it for a while, then, in successive seasons, after I returned and actually took the time to explore and care about individual characters, those relationships, and the larger Rebellion in question, I began to form more meaningful thoughts and began to care about the development of that storyline.

    Now I perceive it as something indeed substantial and contributing to what we ultimately see the Rebellion as of A New Hope.

    Given the vast amount of contributors we now have in the Star Wars media -- novels, comics, films, toys, etc. -- there seems to be an increased likelihood of finding things many fans can enjoy for a variety of reasons.

    And, while that new material also increases the likelihood of there being things we do not appreciate or understand, I personally welcome it all as a personal challenge to help me discover what I find to be most interesting and important in Star Wars.

    We can remain critical, creative, and constructive in these assessments.

    I said elsewhere in this forum about the amazing discoverability Star Wars offers, and this is one of the saga's enduring strengths:

    to continuously challenge us beyond ourselves, beyond our expectations and preferences, to take our first steps into larger worlds, to search our feelings, unlearn what we have learned, eventually to see, as Luke rightly recognized, "It's so much bigger."

    (blue)
     
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    I'd honestly like to hear what you consider to be out of character jokes (assuming on the acronym). I saw a handful of jokes that didn't land but I never thought, "this character wouldn't make this joke."
     
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