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Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Obi5Kenobi, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. Obi5Kenobi

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    1. Again this is you ascribing real world physics and attributes to a space fantasy.
    With that statement you just declared anything at all possible in the Star Wars universe. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect gravity to be a constant in Star Wars since people walk around normally and things drop to the ground like they do in real life.

    2. And it's perfectly logical for Han, a smuggler, to know Maz Kanata who is a bit of a safe haven on Takodana. And when trying to get Rey and Finn to where they need to be, why wouldn't they go visit her? Seems pretty on point with everything. So again, what's the issue here? Contrivances are a part of storytelling. Maz being where Rey is, is no more illogical than Han. And that wasn't your point. You've moved goal posts. And that wouldn't be the equivalent. It'd be closer to if Han had Anakin's lightsaber, (ya know the object in question) but then he'd also have to have a relationship with Obi-Wan to make the comparison work but that weakens your argument even further. So I get why you changed it.
    I shouldn't have said that it was odd for Maz to be there. That was a mistake. They went there specifically to see her. My bad on that point. Han not having a relationship with Obi Wan in my example wouldn't weaken my argument. The relationship between Maz and Han isn't the issue. It's that Maz just happens to have the very important weapon that will be needed later. You don't accept that her possession of it is unusual so you see it differently.

    3. Because it's not this story being told. The same reason we aren't told HOW the Rebels got the Death Star plans either time. Just that they did and many Bothans died.
    This is a straw man. Those things don't need elaboration because we were being introduced to those elements. New elements can simply be new without the need provide any explanation. Introducing a new element like Maz in possession of an existing element, especially a well known one, requires some explanation.

    4. If you can sense the force, why couldn't you sense that? I don't get this at all. You accept she is capable of sensing the force but sensing it's calling to Rey, is absurd? That feels like you're asking for a very small needle to be thread here.
    I don't know why you're still arguing this since I already said it was a mistake in my last post...

    5. But what is revealed about Mothma in ROTJ? Nothing. What is revealed about Akbar? Nothing. Tarkin? Nothing. She is a tertiary character. Any info on her will be put in comics or books. Again, this just isn't the story being told.
    Another straw man. There's no past connection to these characters. You didn't see them die and then show up again. They didn't show up with Mace Windu's lightsaber or anything. They were just new characters being introduced. Maz has Luke's old lightsaber and also knows it was Anakin's too. Han is the stand in for the audience in that scene when he asks where she got it.

    The movie you are describing wanting is 5 hours long and 4.5 of that is expository dialogue. Yes, all JJ did in TFA was create mystery boxes. But these aren't the problematic ones. They're just tiny unimportant threads so they can write 6 books.
    Nope. A line or two of dialog doesn't take that long.
     
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    this is an actual quote from StarWars.com

    gravity is constant in the galaxy of Star Wars.
    the will of the Force and the fate of the characters is about your imagination doing the work of connecting dots that it has no intention (or need) to draw.
    that's not bad storytelling, it's the genre in which George Lucas created the work.

    i know it's hard to separate ANH from everything that followed, but that film stands alone and nothing in it is explained at all. a farmboy meets an old man in the desert who knew his inexplicable absent father and fought in a war that's never explained. a monkey-dog is a co-pilot for a smuggler who doesn't just ditch his passengers when the job goes bad. a teenaged princess leads a rebellion. a scary man in a mask gets in a space ship to go shoot at the farm boy to protect a giant ball that can move around and blow up planets.

    that's it. that's the story. absolutely nothing is explained and that mattered not even half a whit to the millions of people who flocked to see it.
     
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    1. Because it is. It's a world with space wizards and magic powers.

    2. Because it isn't unusual. Maz is close to the force. Maz has connections to important people. Why wouldn't Maz collect what might be an incredibly important piece of history? For all we know, Luke went back found it and asked Maz to hold it. It's just nitpicking beyond nitpicking.

    3. It's not a strawman. No it doesn't require explanation in THIS story because it isn't being told. How the Rebels got the plans to the Death Star to find it's convenient fault, is more of a glaring issue than how Maz got a Maclunkey lightsaber. Your refusal to accept that while accepting the other is a sign of bias. Not a strawman by me. You either accept that not everything is explained in every movie or it isn't.

    5. No. No strawman again. You either accept new characters can exist and weren't mentioned before, or you don't.

    A line or two of dialogue for each problem you have. And then for each problem everyone else has. Why should that dialogue be restricted to these things? We need them for Snoke. We should get them for Rose. We should get them for Holdo. For Hux. Explain the caretakers of Ach-To.
    This is the inherent problem with this sort of critiquing of film. You want it to cater to YOU and tell the story you want to hear rather than actually appraising the story being told. See, I don't care about Maz or how she got it because it isn't important. I don't care how or why the guy at a flea market got the last part of that original Kenner run SW toys I needed, just that I was there and he had it.
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    This is the "CinemaSins" of it all. YouTube film criticism has ruined things. People expect their explanations for every little detail in every scene in film or it's a problem. CinemaSins is the bane of all things good about film. I like Honest Trailers more, but even the notion of having film makers "Honest Trailer" proof a movie is depressing. Could you imagine ANH coming out today with this level of "critique"
     
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  4. Obi5Kenobi

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    From what I've read, it looks like you make no distinction between the introduction of new elements and the reintroduction of existing elements. New characters are assumed to have a past that we don't know about. Hux, Ach-To caretakers, Holdo, Rose, Snoke and Maz are included in this. But when a new character displays a significant (what is significant is subjective) reintroduction of an existing element, some exposition is appropriate. A good example of this is the Millennium Falcon being on Jakku. At first it’s a surprise because it’s out of context. The last time we saw it was being flown by Lando and still owned by Han. We later find out that it was stolen and changed hands a few times before ending up on Jakku. No problem.



    Maz and Snoke reintroduce existing elements. Maz has Luke’s lightsaber and Snoke says he was around during the Old Republic and the Empire. Maybe Snoke was a really private guy and just stayed home a lot during those times so he gets a pass. We still don’t know where he came from or how he became the Supreme Leader of the First Order, but those are new elements that don’t necessarily contradict anything we’ve seen before. They’re unnecessarily mysterious, but such is a JJ Abrams movie. Maz however, has Luke’s lightsaber, which was last seen falling a great distance in a city that was being occupied by the Empire. That deserves some exposition.

    The Death Star plans in A New Hope is a particularly bad example to hold up as something that needs exposition. From the very first frames of the movie, in the opening crawl, we’re told that the plans have been stolen. This is our insertion point to the story. It’s established that the bad guys have a giant battle station and that the plans have been stolen. The story is getting the plans to the right good guys.



    As far as anything being possible and “that’s not the story being told”, you just reduced absolutely everything to insignificance. Here’s what’s ok with you if anything at all is possible and “that’s not the story being told”:



    Characters pointing their fingers at others and yelling “Pow!” and then the other person falls dead with a hole in his chest. Anything is possible.

    Han Solo is portrayed by Harrison Ford in the Cantina, then Kate Beckinsale in docking bay 94, then a CG Jar Jar on the Falcon, then by a can of cream of chicken soup on the Death Star. How is this happening? Anything is possible, and besides, that’s not the story being told.

    Any character, heck, every character, ever seen dying in the past can show up at any time because anything is possible. How did they come back to life? That’s not the story being told.



    There needs to be some continuity for stories to work. What happened to Luke’s original lightsaber has been a question on fans’ minds since 1983 when we learned that he built a new one and didn’t go back to get the old one. It’s been the subject of EU material and probably thousands of forum posts. 35 years later, the answer is

    JJ Abrams: Oh that? Maz had it!

    Fans: Come again? Who’s Maz?

    JJ Abrams: She’s an old friend of Han’s. She’s had it for ages. She knows the force.

    Fans: And……? How did she get it?

    JJ Abrams: That’s a story for another time. Maybe in a novel or a comic book.





    I already know that this subject is unimportant to you. There are some fans to whom this is a big deal, though. I’m one of them.
     
  5. Bluemilk

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    I mean no disrespect, but your answers were not satisfying.
     
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  6. Obi5Kenobi

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    Well.... Excuse me.
     
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    I think if you were to actually take the time to comb through this forum and others, you wouldn't find anyone asking for an elaborate explanation of every little detail in every scene. That is definitely a straw man argument. Nobody is actually doing that. You'd most likely find many people asking for the same detail or two to be explained.
     
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    Yet you are doing literally that.
    Have a good day. This conversation will go no where fast. And no, it isn't a strawman since it's actually what you are doing.

    If you have no problem with them already having Death Star plans, then IDK man.
     
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    I am literally asking for an elaborate explanation for every detail in every scene? Seriously? You may want to look up what "literally", "every" and "detail" mean.

    This is probably a conversation best left alone until after the release of TROS.
     
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    Where is Anakin (as a ghost) and why has he been silent for the ST? He certainly would’ve wanted to meet his grandson.

    Why do 7 and 8 have a completely different set of planets and species than 1-6?

    Who is broom boy? (What is his role or importance?)

    What exactly was the “awakening” and what does it mean?

    What happened to Luke’s prosthetic hand? (Why does it look robotic now?)
     
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    Anakin is suppose to be in TRoS so some sources say. So hopefully your question will be answered then.

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    I hope they all get answered!
     
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