Very Disappointing. Shows you need Lucas to make Star Wars

Dude can you tell me which version of ROTS did you watch? I ask because the version I saw had Obi Wan totally outclasing Grievous in every way. The fight had barley started and Obi Wan had already shopped off two of Grievous's hands! I don't say this to just disagree with you but dude I am a hardcore Grievous fan in that I loved his design and backstory from the start yet one of the things that bothered me was that he was portrayed as such a junky loser in ROTS.

 

Blowing up the Death Star is only a little bit more difficult than bulls eyeing womp rats? You only believe one over the other because Star Wars is 40 years old. We buy these scenarios because the film presents them and we suspend our disbelief but that doesn't make them plausible.

Luke had never even heard of the Force until a few hours before.

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Dude you're trying way too hard. Grievous was killed in the end but he clearly had Obi-Wan on the ropes even disarming him of his lightsaber, dude.

 

Let's hope to God Disney can fix that mess too. Harrison you up for one more? J.J.? Maybe Oscar Isaccs can play Indys kid this time. Someone please pass that torch to a useful actor. Please!

 

I completely agree with this, Finn is not thestrongest character, he knows the power of the First Order, but still he decided to defect from them, without this choice of Finn, the FO would have obliterate the entire galaxy, and he knows, when he fight Kylo, that he'll probably die, but still he does that. It's easy to face a danger you know you can defeat, but still fighting when you KNOW you will lose is what makes him a real hero.


I saw some people say Daisy's acting was bad, well I have to disagree on that.
For exemple ther is one scene, where Rey and Finn are attacked by the TIE on Jakku, Finn's on the ground she shakes him and Finn asks:"are you all right?" and just her look said everything of Rey's character, you could feel she was surprised that somenone asked that to her, that it was probably the first time someone cared in any way about her, you could feel her surprise and her loneliness at the same time, and that's not the only moment in wich she's fantastic, so before saying stupid statements, make sure you paid attention to the movie please

 

Nailed it. I think that's the problem here. The series has become religion for some so anything out of some imagined canon is blasphemy, even if it was dreamed up by some fanboy and has nothing to do with what Lucas wanted.

 

We get it. You didn't like it. You've reached broken record status.

 

Same here, love Solaris (1972!) and Stalker and prefer this kind of films over superhero flicks but did not applaud the projection screen, the guy to my right did, the guy to my left didn't.

Two particular details in the new film, reminded me about something George Lucas said during the making of the PT: He said we wouldn't see hyperspace from within any of the ships because he wanted to save this special moment for ANH so that audiences would experience the hyperspace jump first through the eyes of Luke Skywalker.
Simply put (and despite the S.E.) he showed concern and respect for that particular detail.

Now, in TFA the Falcon makes a hyperspace jump from within a ship and later to penetrate a planet's deflector shield which tells me that the producers of TFA were not willing to pay such respect to original continuity. Add to this the fact that the guy who performs these incredible stunts is no longer in his prime and hasn't flewn his ship for 5, 10, 15 years or else.

Stuff like that took me out of the illusion of actually being there (which the first 20-30 minutes had so outstandingly achieved).

There are many things I do not like myself about the PT, but in hindsight I can't help but acknowledge that George Lucas provided me with that particular illusion of really being in a galaxy far, far away, even if I didn't like all the time what was happening there.

 

The thing for me is; George started to rely so much on the (back then) revolutionary technology allowing him to throw anything he dreamed of on the screen that the films became less concerned with telling an exciting story and became a technical showcase for computer wizardry in general and ILM in particular. On that level he succeeded, but in overdoing it (CGI landscapes and whatnot) and in populating his galaxy with people I couldn't care about, no matter how hard I tried, I never felt like I was in the galaxy. It threw me out. Constantly. I sat in the theatre being bombarded by spectacle and thinking 'man, this green screen technique isn't doing wonders for the storytelling.' Those films just never made me lose myself like the OT, and now this new one, did.

Now, with this new film they relied on actual puppetry and physicality all while telling a story with (some) depth, and (lots of) excitement and humour I couldn't help but stand up and applaud a goddamn screen. Silly as that may be. I had been back in the galaxy. Looks like I wasn't alone in this.
When you're over forty suspending your disbelief in this genre of filmmaking becomes harder and harder. This has as much to do with the subpar quality of Hollywood filmmaking nowadays as anything else.

Never in my life would I have dreamed of ever sitting in a movie theatre experiencing a big budget hollywood (sequel to a) blockbuster made with so much respect for the art of filmmaking. From both a technical as well as a storytelling perspective. This marriage of old school filmmaking, writing, special and practical effects and state of the art CGI just doesn't come around that often anymore.

This year we got this kind of lightning in a bottle twice; first with Fury Road (which should receive every oscar nomination in the book), later with the Force Awakens.
What a year for cinephiles and genre lovers!

 

After my self-imposed hiatus from the Cantina this weekend after watching TFA on Friday night I can only say this. I loved it! Ok, I'll also say this. To be me, my new ranking is: ESB, TFA, ANH, ROTJ, ROTS, TPM, AOTC. Is the movie 100% perfect? No. But so few films are; ever. But to me, this is as close to perfection (Empire) as I've seen and I absofriggin loved it.

 

Ha, I can almost let this comment slide until I see it's made by someone whose username is Count Dooku.

Yeah, they definitely don't make 'em like Ep 2 anymore.

 

THAT´S THE ISSUE!!!! DIsney/JJ made this movie by creating scene-after-scene just to justify the previous one, and not to follow a logicall and good plot. They went just like: "Let´s make Finn fight Kylo / But he never used a saber / So let´s make him fight first to justify that... / Finn wants to escape / He may go to the TIE / The TIE has 1 seat / So let´s create a 2-seat TIE!"

And so on and so on... CRAAP OF A MOVIE!

 

Classic TIE's don't even have life-support in them, which is why TIE Pilots wear spacesuits inside them.

 

People are LYING TO THEMSELVES by saying that they "loved TFA". I can´t believe that there are so manipulatable people in the world...

 

But @Count dooku's point was fair and actually spot on. It stands up regardless whether he likes the PT or not.
The fact is, most would agree that the same garbage keeps coming out of Hollywood year on year.
Sequels, remakes, reboots. No originality. A complete cluster f*** of characters - it seems the challenge these days is fitting in as many people as possible.
The Force Awakens, unfortunately, ticks all those boxes.
It's a complete rip of ANH but with more, many more, characters - many of which could have been blended into one.
It was clearly written on the go and as a result is a messy film that lacks the punch of ANH despite stealing its story.
As a result there is nothing new to see - visually or story-wise. There are no surprises. There are too many characters. And it's just a case of making it "bigger", not better.
The PT undoubtedly had terrible dialogue. But it was aesthetically fresh, riffed off the previous stories but at the same time had something new to show and tell.
People are just on the hype train at the moment. When that runs out of steam the critics will see they got carried away.
It's not a terrible film. It on par with many of today's blockbusters. But it is no Star Wars classic by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Man, it's about time someone came along and told me what I really think. I really appreciate it, man!

Rejoice, Cantina patrons! We no longer have to struggle to think for ourselves now that @Ainnem Agon is here!

 

What's a craap?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course but posting sour comments ridiculing people who love something on a forum dedicated to discussing said thing will never cease to amaze me.

 

"Plot refers to the sequence of events inside a story which affect other events through the principle of cause and effect."