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What I don't like about the MF and MSW spoiler leaks.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by remiel6, Dec 8, 2015.

  1. Jedihopper

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    Perfect example of what Han will do, really.
     
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    People, don't put all your faith in website's. Our friends over at these sites get info they have whether real or not and show us. Some may be true but others not. I remember a lot of rumors from sites that turned out to be false back in 1999. No need to get upset or anything.......... In 9 days you'll know the answers...
     
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    Hero Han will have to go eventually....but like a Don (falcon)
     
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    Wait I thought in the MF.com script Han lives. Thats what I read.
     
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    Even in the Star Wars story world these characters will die and become one with the force. I don't understand why people are so hesitant to see them go. If absolutely nothing happened, then I imagine this picture with everyone looking 40 years older. It can't be like that. This picture represents people at the peak. There is literally no way this picture could be any happier. Maybe with a baby? If these guys stayed this way, then there would be no story to tell...at least not a good story worth filming a 2 hour movie with.

    Maybe they should make it through this movie for one last hurrah. But everyone dies eventually and people forget that sometimes. Sorry to be a debby downer :oops:
     
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    I perfectly understand how you feel because all this talk about what has happened to Luke has really rubbed me the wrong way. The OT showed us that Luke was a hero through and through. He didn't back down when the going got tough even if he knew he was out of his league. Here we had a simple farm boy who was thrust into a world beyond his wildest dreams yet Luke took it all like a man. The final movie we got about him couldn't have had a better name: Return of the Jedi! Here we saw the awesomeness of Luke reach it's peak as he not only redeemed his father but didn't fall to the Dark Side as Vader had done before him. His actions led to the destruction of the Sith and to wonderful new posibilities for the Jedi to arise once more with Luke proudly in the front and this was awesome. He never quit, he never backed down and he never gave up! That was our Luke! That was our hero!
    Now though, everything seems to be telling us that our hero chickened out an ran away when the going got tough! Say what??? How could Luke run away after passing his ordeal simply because he was afraid that he might turn out like his father? Even if it was because he did infact create a Jedi school and the bad guys destroyed it shows no credible way that Luke would just back off and run away from his friends and family! He lost his uncles, his mentor and his childhood best friend in ANH and he was defeated, dismembered and lost his new best friend in ESB and nothing stopped Luke from comming back to ROTJ being badder than ever yet now we are supposed to believe that our hero is just hiding under a rock because things went bad? That's not the Luke I know and grew up with! Just like you, I really hope that TFA blows our mind and gives us a good reason for Luke's disaperance. I won't go as far as saying that I will hate SW if this doesn't happen but I do know that if they make it look like he just chickened out, a lot of fans including myself are going to be left feeling really bummed about Luke's predicament.
     
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    How is his death not more heroic than Obi-Wan's? The situation is not dissimilar.
    Han purposely comes out of hiding to defend Rey, Finn, and Chewie against a monster who happens to be his son.
     
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    Great post. Totally agree. However, that conflict between Han and Leia regarding Kylo and a superweapon may be in the movie. And that's fine with me. I just don't want them to be broken up.

    Yes, the way it sounds is as if Han lives a "super depressing" life. And it sounds like it applies to Leia as well. Maybe it's even worse with Leia, as Carrie Fisher described it. Han still has Chewbacca, but who does Leia have that's really close to her if she doesn't have her children or Han? That's assuming that the rumors are true, yet I still don't believe them...
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    So true, and this will be all confirmed or denied in 5 days.


    Someone in another forums brought up a good point about Han Solo. If he dies, then what's the point of having prequels about him only to know his fate in this movie? That doesn't make any sense. Another check in the Han doesn't die column for me.
     
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    Han's death in TFA is Obi-Wan's death in ANH.
    We *will* see characters very distraught over his death (including Rey).
    Like old Ben, Han is a living relic of an age that's now shrouded in legend and mystery for the new young heroes.
    Like Obi-Wan, Han sacrifices himself against the film's main villain in the enemy base in order to give the heroes a chance to escape.
     
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    Curious that Harrison Ford in several interviews does not agree with you. Han Solo has no desire to mentor anyone. It is not how he functions. He is not Obi Wan, harrison ford has said this ad nauseum, so why are people trying to shoe horn Han Solo into being something that he is not. Obi Wan's motivations were teaching Luke, Obi Wan also knew what would happen when he died. He had been working on it for darn near 20 years. Han Solo is no mans wise characters. That's never been his function in any story and from the words of Harrison Ford himself, its no what he is about. That does not mean he doesn't die, it means that what was written in that character description is out of character for both Han and Luke. A guy whose life code is his lucky blaster does not walk within arms reach of a force using jedi with a lightsaber because he loses any advantage he has, even if he is his son. He's seen him do enough things flat out evil to know to avoid that situation like the plague.

    Also, fwiw, Chemie is a heavy, his job is to die for the one he protects. It is his literary purpose. Why does Chewie who owes an alleged life debt to han stand by and let Han die, bull poop. The character is far more interesting if we have to find out who Han is without Chewie than if we have to find out who Chewie is without Han.

    None of this touches on the biggest travesty of this plot which is why a hero of the degree of Luke does jack while his friend and family are cut down around him. I don't know who that character is, but its not luke Skywalker. Exar Kun himself better be on that damn island or you run the risk that your story is not believable.
     
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    RIGHT ON!!

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    EDIT: Nevermind
     
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    By that logic, what was the point of doing the prequels? Wait, don't answer that.
     
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    You can ask that of me. I liked them, but I didn't love them. I really don't have any argument for or against them.
     
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    There were websites in 1999?! How old ARE you? :p
     
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    Huh? Do you have a link?

    He doesn't desire it, but he very much ends up doing it in TFA. He is absolutely the mentor figure of this movie for both Rey and Finn.
     
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    Great point about who Han is without Chewie. However, I must add that since/if Leia is his significant other, she is more important to his character arc. However, if Chewbacca died, yes, a lot of who Han is now is because of Chewie.
     
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    A man after my own heart. I couldn't have expressed my exact same views any better.
     
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    *sigh

    The new trilogy belongs to Lucasfilm & Disney now... they can and will bring it in another direction, and make sure there is a good story to tell.
    Have the original trio living happily ever after and base the new movies on the "reconstruction" of the Republic... you might end up with Prequels 2.0.

    It's a space opera, a tragedy.

    It's like in 1980, when Empire Strikes Back hit the theater and people were just crying over the fact that Darth Vader was Luke's father.

    No it can't be! It's the worst thing that could happen to Star Wars!

    The new trilogy is not built around Luke, Han and Leia... I think it's pretty clear now. They want to build something around younger actors so they can guarantee many more Star Wars episodes in the future. I think it's pretty safe to say that all 3 characters will die in this trilogy... how it is handled is the key.
     
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