What I don't like about the MF and MSW spoiler leaks.

That's the thing though; everyone's acting as if this trilogy focusing on the new leads and the Big Three spending some time together and actually being active are somehow mutually exclusive. They're not. Once can exist with the other. You can have Finn, Rey, Poe be the centerpieces of this new trilogy while still allowing the Big Three to have their moments.

If the MSW and MF plot synopses turn out to be true, it would feel almost as if JJ were convinced that the above weren't the case, and that he overcompensated in anticipation of people criticizing the film for waxing too much nostalgia by swinging the pendulum in the complete opposite direction and omitting interactions between the Big Three as a whole entirely.

 

I hope those plot leaks are dead on. I love everything so far.

 

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Then why bring them back in the first place? (fan service? nostalgia? MONEY!)

The new trilogy could have been set 60 years after the events of ROTJ without the OT cast.
If the OT cast is involved, the profit will automatically raise, no doubt.
I guess even George Lucas could learn one or two things from Disney.

 

Jesus, seriously? if the MSW rumors are all real, we are fu©ked. Not only would it confirm bringing back Larry K was a mistake, but it proves JJ absolutely blew it. it would be telling of how out of touch JJ is in regards to SW. everyone just happens to meet on Jakku and then convoluted crap continues to play out until films end. the 1st thing i noticed when reading the outline was just how un-Star Warsy it all felt. its bad enough nothing has changed in 30 years but if a story like this one is to work wed have to be missing something pretty big. fortunately it appears this is the case. if you watch the press conference JJ acts as if nothing has been spoiled and talks as if hes got something hefty up his sleeve. he may have successfully executed the biggest marketing ruse in cinematic history.

 

I think everyone who believes the shot lists are entirely accurate will be in for some big surprises when they see the movie.

 

i agree my friend.

 

But wouldn't that be extremly lame? I know that these new movies center around the new cast but just bringing the OT characters all together and just screwing up their lives and killing them of would really be a slap in the face to all of us who have loved those characters from the very beginning. JJ as well as Disney and all the people at Lucasfilm know that by bringing back the cast of the OT, fans are going to flock in waves to see their childhood heros again. So all they are going to get is a Han Solo impaled on Kylo's lightsaber because this movie isn't about him? That would be the same as seeing Kirk bite the dust in Generations. You don't take Arnold Schwarzenegger and stick him in a new Predator movie with Justin Bieber and just let the Predator gut him because the movie is not about Arnold but about Justin. Fans have been dying to see Arnold in another Predator movie and having him killed just to make way for Justin is lame big time. I agree with Cmdr. Ed Straker when he said that the new trilogy could have been set 60 years after the events of ROTJ without the OT cast there at all. ROTJ ended in such a high note and it was so darn cool but everything that the OT characters did in Jedi seems to have been just for nothing and that's sad. Leia never became a Jedi nor may have ended happily with Han, Luke got scared of the new bad guys and hid under a rock, Han may bite the dust, the victory in battle of Endor meant nothing because a group of stronger baddies just came out of nowhere with better tech than the Empire ever had and just kicked everyones butts and so on so on. They could have avoided this by just letting our heros fade away victorious than just bring them back to get people to see the movie and then turn their childhood heros into lame characters so that Rey, Finn and Poe could outshine them and that everyone may see that BB8 is more advanced and is way cooler than R2. Sometimes I think people forget that fans are not just us who eat, breath and think SW. Not every fan knows about the EU or is so well informed about things in the SW universe as we are. How many people who are just fans of the movies are hyped and are in nostalgia mode just because they know that their childhood heros are back. They don't know that this movie doesn't center around the OT characters and they are just going to flood the theatres to see Luke, Han and Leia again and it's going to hurt much of them to see Han bite the dust and Luke just be 4 minutes in the movie simply because this story is not about them.

 

points for Predator/justin bieber analogy. well said.

 

No no, my friend, you can have E7 without showing the finger to 6. You could start 50 years in the future with new heroes, or 30, with old ones.but you could invent new threath, new enemy, from another Galaxy, or a forgotten planet. A bunch of force sensitive bad guys starting to terrorize the Galaxy, whatever. You could definitely do something new...

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God make you are right!!!!!!

 

I think the MSW leaks are about 55-65% accurate at this point, just my guess, but the big secrets haven't been leaked. But the general outline of the movie is correct.

 

agree with everything just would rise the percentage to 90-95%

 

I have no issue with Solo dying but it needs to be done right. But to have him die and them not have a funeral is a disgrace. It shows a lack of respect to the character and a slap in the face to the fans. It would go completely against what we know of the characters of Luke Leia and makes no sense to have no mention of Lando either.
And nothing about the Luke storyline makes sense. It's not in his character to turn his back on his best friends and sister

 

Not that I entirely agree with you, but if it did feel "un Star Warsy" then there is a precedent with Abrams when you consider how detached from Star Trek (especially Into Darkness) were.

That said, the derivative nature of what we've seen so far suggests to me so far is that, at least on a superficial level, it will have a "Star Warsy" feel to it.

 

Is there any shot of Kylo in the snowy forest with the helmet on?
I'm thinking the following:
Kylo might have been a student at Luke's academy but he is not Han and Leia's son, they did have a son that was at the academy though.
I think during the Maz visions, Han and the audience as well might be lead to believe Kylo is Han's son.
When Han confronts him in Starkiller thinking he is his son, Kylo will take his helmet off to reveal he isn't, he might even say I'm not your son.
This will be a twist similar to TESB but in reverse, the movie will end and the audience will not know if he is or isn't Han's son.
But we will find in the next episodes he isn't.

 

Don't mind, but I hope you're wrong.

This could be good title for VIII if TFA stinks.

My favourite quote today.

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I guess there will not be much secrets revealed in TFA, if it's ANH 2.0.
It's like a new start with the OT cast as guest stars.
The OT will be sparingly mentioned here and there.
Maybe we get a glimpse of what some of the OT characters have experienced in the last years.

 

Into Darkness was a joke.
It was the poor, poor man's Wrath of Khan.

If JJ's done some blast like this with The Force Awakens, we may all wind up begging for you-know-who to come back.

 

I'm not a fan of the idea of Luke vanishing for years on end, but if he did ... well, that doesn't make him a chicken. It means that he might have been the only Jedi surviving (or one of a few) and needed to go into hiding to safeguard his knowledge. Just like Yoda and Ben.

We're not dealing with Luke Skywalker Jedi warrior, here. Wars don't make one great. VII is going to have Luke the Jedi Master. He has a greater responsibility than fighting wars. There is a far more important purpose to his life. If he went into hiding, I strongly doubt it was an act of cowardice. If anything, it was a hard decision that had to be made; the role of custodian of the Jedi Order is Luke's reason for living. Remember Yoda's command, "Pass on what you have learned."

I doubt very seriously that anyone involved in this film wants to portray Luke as a coward. Especially considering that there are very solid reasons for his disappearance.

 

Was the BoxofficeZ guy telling the truth or making it up? Anyone find out?
Didn't he give some kind of cryptic Simpsons hint that Luke was involved in Han's death?

 

There is nothing leaked. They didn't know there was a fight between Rey and Ren for example.

 

The movies are called 'Star Wars'. People die in wars. If they went 60 years ahead, everyone would be gnashing their teeth wondering what happened to the original three. And seeing how the 'trilogy of trilogies' is about family ties I think 30 years after ROTJ is about right for this movie. Not to be trivial, but it doesn't even matter if Luke dies, because he can just come back as a force ghost. That leaves Leia and Han. I think most fans agree that Han is going to die, and when it happens it will be done in a way that gives the character the send off he deserves. That leaves Leia...I don't think she will die. Without her the Rebellion would have never got off the ground. But my whole point being is that people want to know what happens to these characters...and the actors are still alive to do the work...so why not?