GAME What kind of fan are you?

Great post! I got optimistic, which isnt suprising. I think the OT and especially the first Star Wars is one of the greatest achievement of cinematic history.
And even though I hate the prequels, I like the non-movie stuff. Imo Gendy Tartakosky's clone wars was great, and some of the seasons of the CGI version aswell.

Lets face it, probably terrible. Lucas has lost his ,,thing" after the 80s. The people who are unsatisfied with TFA now tend to overlook how great damage the prequels actually caused to Star Wars. Can you imagine the outrage if JJ would've been the first to introduce the midichlorians or Jar-jar to Star Wars in TFA?

Can you please elaborate? How were the OT characters ruined in TFA?

 

I got "Hardcore, optimistic"

Let me summarize. I have seen all the star wars films unnumerable times. Dislike the prequels. Absolutely love what Disney and the new Lucasfilm are doing with the franchise. I absolutely love The Force Awakens.(together with ESB best SW movie) Larry is a genius. Read tons of comics, thought the old EU novels were average. Very much like the new stuff (more focused). I dislike the Clone Wars tv series, did not really like Rebels until the later episodes of the last season. I buy tons of stuff and it makes me happy. All my girlfriends are SW fans. I'm that kinda guy.

Cheers.

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He's an old dog. Don't bother too much. He hated TFA before the movie was even out.

 

Yeah I have seen both series and I think they are really cool! Do you like them? Did you ever see and enjoy the SW animated CW cartoon?

 

Ok my friend General_Tarkin let me elaborate. First of we can't be to quick to judge Lucas on the whole midi-chlorian thing. Sure many people didn't like that (myself included) but did JJ do any better? It's easy to try to turn a blind eye on JJs flaws by rubbing Lucas's in peoples faces but do you actually think that his portrayal of the Force was better? At least midi-chlorians didn't ruin anything Force related that we saw in the OT but what about Reys disgusting use of the Force? It took Rey a few hours what it took Luke to do in three movies! Look at Rey in TFA and you'll see that she seems even more powerful than Vader ever was and he was the chosen one! A girl that moments before never even believed the Force existed, pulled out thoughts from a trained Dark Jedi, knew how to use the Force to manipulate minds without ever having seen someone do it before and gave a Stormtrooper three different commands and she had the Force pump her full of girl power to beat a highly trained Jedi in lightsaber combat. And yes, Rey knew how to use a staff but knowing about weapon training you should know that you can have 10 years in sword practice and you are still a novice if you grab a nunchaku.

Since when did the Force pump people full of battle power and teach them to fight? Since when did the Force no longer require you to have a master because it teaches it's students on it's own? Midi-chlorians were never ever that bad and I'm one of the people who doesn't like the whole midi-chlorian concept.

Now, about how TFA ruined the OT characters, just look at ROTJ and then look at TFA and you will see that said movie ruined the characters by turning EVERYTHING they fought for into a failure. Luke, the last Jedi, the hope for the Return of the Jedi, failed in everything! He failed as a uncle, he failed as a Jedi Master and he even failed as a brother and friend when he turned tale and ran not letting anyone know where he was. Han is dead, many planets were destroyed and a new evil is messing up the galaxy and the one man who could have made a difference was moping in a deserted island hoping to find a temple? How will that help? Is it going to re-write the past and undo all the atrocities the Kylo Ren (who was Luke's responsibility) has done?

What about Han and Leia? So much fighting for their love in the OT and they failed miserably as well! They failed as parents and they failed as a couple. Can you really watch TESB and ROTJ and not get angry when you see that two people who developed their romance and fought hard for each other were just turned into old washed up losers who failed in their relationship?

What about everything the Rebellion fought for? They fought hard and lost so much to get rid of Sheev and his evil Empire just so that a even greater evil would just pop out of nowhere and destroy everything they hoped to gain? Do you have any idea what a slap in the face it was to not even have seen the New Republic and then see how they destroyed it off screen?

That Lucas made mistakes in the PT? Yeah he did and I personally don't like quite a few things like having Anakin be a kid in TPM, Padme's romance that stole much needed time in the movie, midi-chlorians and a few more but people are so blinded by their dislike of the PT that they want to swallow everything about TFA and see it as better when it was infact quite bad. You can't go to a four star restaurant to eat caviar, get mad because the next time you went you were served lobster, and become so angry at the lobster you had that you say that supermarket fish sticks are way better than the restaurant quality lobster.

 

i honestly don't even understand this. Rey was a warrior long before she ever set eyes on Kylo Ren. all she did was channel the Dark to give her the confidence and aggression she needed to catch him off guard. he lost that fight practically entirely on his own. she didn't suddenly "gain" lightsaber skills and she didn't whip a trained powerful Force user. she knocked a wounded, distracted, idiot on his ass. she probably didn't even need the Force to do it.

i have serious concerns about what TFA means for our OT protagonists, but you know what? the story isn't finished, we don't have all the answers, and though it drives me crazy that Han and Leia and Luke could have been so careless about Ben, i'm willing to see how it works out before i judge them all.
it's not a failure so long as it's unfinished. why be so pessimistic?

i got served lobster at TFA. it looks incredible and smells delicious, and i'm just barely sitting down to the table.
viii and ix will determine whether the meal is great or not.

 

Hard Core Optimistic. Your knowledge about the universe of Star Wars has no equals. It is clear you've been a fan for a long time and that you look forward to what future has in store. It is a good time to be a Star Wars fan, isn't it? Remain hopeful and optimistic, this is what the world needs right now. You are a true Star Wars fan. I think I picked Lawrence Kasdan, at least I thought that was him, but that was a hard one.

 

I got Optimistic. Hell yes it's an amazing time to be a Star Wars fan.

 

LOL. I got "Hardcore, Optimistic". "Your knowledge about the universe of Star Wars has no equals. It is clear you've been a fan for a long time..."

Er... this part cracked me up a little since it is less than a year that I have seen the light lol. But I have been told maybe the Force has awakened on me too like it did with Rey lol.

And yeah, it is a great time to be a Star Wars fan. I do look forward to what the future has in store.

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LOL.

I'm sort of jealous since I didn't watch A New Hope on VHS.

Same here, my boy Dave!!! I like what he has done so far.

Cheers to that.

Cheers to you too!

 

the Force is strong with you! you are retroactively a Star Wars fan to the womb as a result! whoohoo! : D

 

I got Hardcore Optimistic+ picked JJ Abrams ...and I would be the last to question the validity and reliability of the test.

 

Sooo.... I'm a Negative Purist. Woohoo, RepreSENT! I can agree with "Purist". Don't know why I'm Negative, though. I'm called a lot of things, but "negative" is usually not one of them.

Kind of put off by the advice given, also. Tone was condescending, and you make jumps about my reasons for liking/disliking things. Why are my likes and dislikes something I need to change so that I can fit in with everyone else? I never put forward the opinion that Star Wars is just for me. But, if you ask me what I like, I'm not going to say I like it all just because it's Star Wars and therefore I Must Like It. Oh well.

 

I can understand that someone didnt like that part, though honestly it didnt bother me at all till I encoutered the internet ofc, which is the endless source of bashing and nitpicking. I saw her succesful mindtrick as a beginners luck. As for defeating Kylo Ren. There was a very good post about this here in the cantina: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....-people-complaining-about-reys-fast-arc.8047/
In short: The new idea about the force was not what Lucas thought in ep II, where the young jedi had to be trained to be ninjas with utterly ridiculous mini lightsabers from the age of 5, but rather the true essence of the OT, which was about decisions and emotions.
A fight between force users was not something like in Dragon Ball (from where most likely Lucas got his midichlorian idea), where a warrior had to be OVER 9000!!!!! to be the strongest, but about who can overcome their emotions. Did Luke train with the lightsaber with Yoda? No. Did Luke win against Vader in ep VI because he trained with the lightsaber? No. He won because he overcome his emotions. He became aware of his darkness and said no thanks to its seducion. It was Vader who was struggling.

Just look at how much was going on in the final duel of ep VI. It was about a father vs son, master vs apprentice, good vs evil etc. The last thing which mattered there is how skilled they were with the lightsaber. It was a duel of ideas and emotions. It was a duel between characters. The fact that they were fighting with swords mattered the least imho. Star Wars is not space kung fu with wizards (or at least it used to be not) its about so much more. And it was about much more in TFA. The duel was about a guy, who just killed his own father fighting against someone who has been running and waiting for something in her whole life. The part where Rey starts using the force during the duel was the moment when she finally found peace and then the force was with her. She overcame her emotions and defeated her struggling enemy. It was not about how much space kung fu did they practice. It was not about something like the duel in in TPM whre 3 guys who we knew almost nothing about were fighting about something which about we dont care in a completly fake over the top CGI enviroment.

Either that, or there is something still to be told about Rey's backstory which would change the entire way we look at TFA.

First of all the fact the the situation isnt flowers and fluffy bunnies all over the place dosent mean that the characters were ruined... Han and Leia's child was seduced by the dark side, which ruined their marriage. That lead Han to go back for his old profession. I dont see anything ruined here. Their stories continued, maybe not in a happy way (yet), but these are still the same characters.

Im going to give you an example of a ruined character: Yoda in the prequels.
In the OT he wasnt a warrior who fights with a lightsaber. He was a symbol of how smarts and patience can beat aggression and darkness. The great jedi who you were expecting to be someone physically great is in fact a small, weak looking creature. But judge him by his size you should not. A great concept, conpeletly ruined by the PT where he was a pathetic flea who has to constantly jump to get close to his enemies. ,,Wars not make one great", remember? Sorry master Yoda, all your wise sayings were ruined by a coldhearted greedy businessman.
What about his wisdom? The OT Yoda was wise warned about be patient and careful. The PT Yoda is almost like a parody of that... All he did was sitting in circles crying about how clouded they are... THey couldn't foresee a sith lord getting in power in the front of 10.000 jedi's face, they couldn't foresee Anakin's turn even when it was painfully obvious... When Anakin was sitting in the front of Yoda, talking about his fear of the loss of someone loved, clearly visibly full of despair and struggle, Yoda still failed to see what even an 8 years would've... That something wasnt right with that poor guy.

Second, you were the one who complained about the alteration of the EU. Now if you look at what happened in the old EU after ep VI you will find out that the situation is almost exactly the same as in TFA only a hundred times worse. Leia and Han's son turned, new jedi order wiped out, Chevie dead etc. The FO is just a saturday morning picnic compared to the Yuuzhan Vong.

 

yay @HeirTrilogy : at least i'm in good company ~ hahaha.

 

Yay!!

Whichever type we get, I guess the most important thing is this: even if we all have different perspectives regarding the whole universe of Star Wars (the OT, the PT, the ST, TCW, Rebels, Legends, books, comics, etc) we are all together speaking the same language. May the Force be with you all!

 

Oh, I'm sure it was the right "outcome", I just disagree with the term used to describe me, and how I am told to change my ways. "Old School", "Old Guard", or "Believer in Legends" or something positive would be nice. Just cuz I don't agree with your opinion doesn't make me Negative.

And...yeah... just not a good paragraph of text. I realize I'm not your target audience, which is why you aren't giving me a link to your YouTube, but man. Savage.

I wasn't even told "May the Force Be With You" like the 'Optimists' were

 

Here, I'm changing some of my text so I don't make to feel too bad, k? Sometimes we don't notice our tones in writing.

eta: Actually, I just took out one sentence, cuz then I don't want people to see my edit and go "what does he feel bad about?" lol. I'll leave most of it there for the conversation continuity.